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Old 02-18-2016, 07:05 AM   #113
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That old technology could be fixed beside the road with a finger nail file for the points, the necessary socket wrench to be able to twist the distributor, and a screw driver to adjust the carb.
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Complicated technology is great, until it breaks and no one knows how to fix it, not even dealer service departments that are the only ones who have the proprietary software that might be capable of a reasonable diagnosis....

I think that cars and trucks reached the pinnacle of reliability and repairability in the 1990s.






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2016 Ford F150 vs F250

And there is something to be said about the days when you could make a gas engine start, run, and charge the battery with only four wires.... Half of these on the alternator.

I bet if there were an EMP attack I could make a points/carb car run...

Without the worry of running out of gas for a while.....

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I am sure the 5.0 engine is an option that most commercial businesses will choose due to its simplicity and dependability vs the turbo engines. The choice is yours, but what makes you happy. BTW, the latest Web news on the new 2017 options are really mind blowing. Including an air bag suspension with on board compressor for leveling, and offered on tow packages with F-150's.
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That old technology could be fixed beside the road with a finger nail file for the points, the necessary socket wrench to be able to twist the distributor, and a screw driver to adjust the carb.
Agreed. And that was a good thing, given how often that technology broke down. I still have my points file.

As I enjoy my 4 wheel disc ABS brakes today I don't miss that old technology.

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I am sure the 5.0 engine is an option that most commercial businesses will choose due to its simplicity and dependability vs the turbo engines.
Ford reported that in 2015 F150 buyers were choosing the Ecoboost 63% of the time. The other 37% was split between the base non turbo V6 and the V8. I would have thought that fleets would have chosen more base engines.

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it would be interesting to have a break down of age by choice of engine. My GUESS.... or gut feeling tells me the older crowd or baby boomers might have some ''reserve/incertitude'' on those turbo engine while the younger generation could not even start to understand why someone would want a v8 that take more gas and produce less power and torque.


turbo engine will growth even more popular. many company have master the reliability aspect with turbo engine. Maybe I m just lucky but my experience with Subaru trubo engine over the past 10 years have gave me lots of comfidence
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it would be interesting to have a break down of age by choice of engine. My GUESS.... or gut feeling tells me the older crowd or baby boomers might have some ''reserve/incertitude'' on those turbo engine while the younger generation could not even start to understand why someone would want a v8 that take more gas and produce less power and torque.
Could be. I'm past 55, so while just a sample of one, I perhaps don't fit that theory, being a fan of direct injection and turbochargers.

We are on an internet discussion forum, though. Everyone here has bought into a certain amount of technology. I suppose that if we want to check and gauge push back against technology including electronic engine controls, and conversely, support for pushrod engines, we could check out the telex and fax machine discussion boards

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I spend some time on an F150 forum. My sense is that a lot of the people on that forum who buy their truck because they like trucks (as opposed to needing the capabilities of a truck) are over represented in the "gotta have that V8 sound" column, and the people who tow heavy tend to like the ecoboost. The drag racing crowd seems to be split, as does the small-trailer crowd towing mowers and bass boats.

Of course, forum crowds aren't necessarily representative of the real world, especially with as big a real-world population as F150 buyers. I'm guessing a sizable number don't know which engine they have, they just bought what the dealer sold them.
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Complicated technology is great, until it breaks and no one knows how to fix it, not even dealer service departments that are the only ones who have the proprietary software that might be capable of a reasonable diagnosis....

I think that cars and trucks reached the pinnacle of reliability and repairability in the 1990s.






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I disagree. The modern cars are far superior to what we had in the past.
I can go 100,000 miles without having to change plugs or do any of bs I used have to do. And as to turbo chargers, they are every bit as reliable as the engines. Every single piece of construction equipment I used in my business was turbocharged including my semis going back as far as my memory allows. It is a true and tried technologie. It was proven on race tracks for fifty years.
Il bet you are using a McIntosh computer as well.
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I have a buddy with a 2015 SD F250 diesel with 4:10 gears and empty he gets 13 - 14 mpg, pulling his 27' AS he gets 10 - 11 mpg. He has had it back to Ford 3 times because of bad fuel consumption and they tell him it is all the emission controls on the newer diesel motors that are killing the fuel mileage. He is not a happy camper after spending $62K on a truck.
Considering there are no such OEM gear configurations the only problem is the DEF/DPF situation. It's either 3.31 or 3.55 gears in and F250.
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2016 Ford F150 vs F250

I have a 2015 F350 and that is the same mileage that I get around town 13-14 mpg and 17-18 mpg on the highway.10- 12.5 towing my 28ft International.



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I have driven a new F150 with the 5.0 and 3.73 rearend, and it is one nice truck. It has plenty of power for any AS built today. A few years ago, a magazine did a real world tow comparison with the 3.5 Ecoboost. Two rodeo cowboys drove each with a loaded 2 horse trailers to 5-6 rodeos and checked the mileage and comments on the towing ability of each engine. Both towed the loaded trailers fine, but the 5.0 had way better mileage over the 3.5. I wouldn't have a problem with either engine, but I would definitely want the 3.73 rear end.
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