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Old 09-02-2016, 09:48 AM   #253
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Seeking economy with towing capability

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Just looked at an Ford F150 XLT extended cab with 5 L engine and the comparable F250 with 6.2 L engine. F150 had a cargo capacity of 2000 lbs, F250 2900. What do you think about the capabilities of the F150 for towing a 25 or 27' AS? It has the payload capacity but what about the 5 L engine? The attractive part of the F150 would be its gas mileage for daily driving. Coincidentally sticker price if around 44,000 for each.
We've solved that problem with a Prius hybrid for daily driving and a robust F250 6.7 turbo diesel for towing. Both do their jobs admirably. Btw, on a long trip I recently got 27 mpg with the diesel truck (unloaded and not towing). But it's a struggle for city driving and parking. The Prius does 45 mpg all day and night, and is a joy for city driving and parking.

We had a F150 earlier and it gave us neither economy nor towing capacity ( we had a 27FB Flying Cloud and now tow a 30 Classic).

IMHO, don't compromise . . . you'll get neither of the objectives you're aiming for if you try. 'Course, it might come down to economics, in which case you'll have to chose the lesser of two evils.
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Old 09-02-2016, 10:11 AM   #254
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Economics wins every time.
That's why I am still happily towing with a 2007 paid for Tundra.
It is still pretty much a dedicated tow vehicle with occasional use as a limousine/very large car.
I drive a 1999 Nissan Pathfinder as a daily driver and my wife drives a 2014 Toyota Avalon as a daily driver.
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I have 2012 EB 3.73 axle and never lock out the 6th gear. In tow-haul it rarely engages anyhow. The incline resistance and the RPM has to drop for it to upshift. In most cases I have to momentarily disengage towhaul to get itb to upshift. I have 82 K miles half of which were towing our 30' AS all over the country. The turbo problems are mostly caused by fuel problems. When towing I only use 91 octane fuel. This engine needs to be driven hard to prevent turbo problems. As to the towing ability VS the V8 engine there is absolutely no comparison. My son driving his F-150 V8 couldn't keep up with me pulling a lighter RV through the Colorado and Northen Arizona mountains. It took him a half a day to catch up with me. In the process he blew his manifolds. If you looking for a F- 150 that can tow it is the EB hands down. If you never live the flatlands the V8 is ok.
Is someone really able to order the 2017 F150 now?? I went to 2 dealers here in MT last couple weeks, and was told they are not able to order 2017 F150 yet and would not likely be able to order till November; my TX dealer who sold me my 2012 EB said same last month...anyone else getting different answer? If someone is getting to order now, please advise how and where, if you can share...also, would be great to see an order form to see what else is available.
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Is someone really able to order the 2017 F150 now?? I went to 2 dealers here in MT last couple weeks, and was told they are not able to order 2017 F150 yet and would not likely be able to order till November; my TX dealer who sold me my 2012 EB said same last month...anyone else getting different answer? If someone is getting to order now, please advise how and where, if you can share...also, would be great to see an order form to see what else is available.
The initial release version of the 2017 Ordering Guide was published on 18 July. I've seen it on the F150 forums, it shouldn't be hard to find in a search. I'd share a copy here but I'm not certain it's Ford-approved for the guide to be out in the wild.

The way F150 orders have worked in the recent past is that early-on the dealers can put in their stock orders, and customer special orders come later. Ford then prioritizes production for what they want to have in the market first (the high-volume, high-margin SuperCrews often make up most of the first few weeks of production, for example) and low-volume special configurations like the HD Payload long-wheelbase configs come much later in the model year, etc.
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Being at least as realistic as cynical, I'm guessing most salesmen don't want to talk to you about 2017 trucks when they have 2016 ones to sell, whether they've seen the 2017 Ordering Guide or not.
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i love airstreams but i tow a fifth wheel with a f250 gas and use it for daily use. it is a rough ride but it does have stiffer frame. Ask most truck drivers and we will tell you dont go small it costs more in the long run. The F250 does remain more stable when pulling and truckers will tell that to anybody. we see the sway if its a light tow vechicle when we pass
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Old 09-02-2016, 08:57 PM   #259
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Is someone really able to order the 2017 F150 now?? I went to 2 dealers here in MT last couple weeks, and was told they are not able to order 2017 F150 yet and would not likely be able to order till November;
Here in BC you can. Was sent a couple of spec sheets just today on a 2017 I am probable going to order. Three to four month del'v time though.

Local dealer has been trying for 3 weeks to find me a 2016 F150 3.5L EB with the options I am wanting. This province as well as the two closest are pretty well cleaned out of 2016's 3.5L EB 4x4's. They found two in Alberta that fit my needs but turned out the only reason they are still on the lot is due to hail damage from a recent storm. Oh and there are still a few around that are totally decked out with a lots of options if your willing to pay $70,000 or more for a truck.

Wondering if those who have ordered a 2017 can confirm that they now have a tail gate remote? Heard that rumour and asked the dealer but they have not confirmed one way or the other.
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Northerngirl I have tailgate remote on my 2015 Platinum trim level. I believe it will just be in the upper trim levels. What is really cool is you can lower the tailgate with the keypad located on the door pillar. Just make sure the space is clear for it to lower. It will be worth the wait for the 10 speed transmission and the v2.0 of the 3.5L
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Old 09-03-2016, 08:08 AM   #261
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Is someone really able to order the 2017 F150 now?? I went to 2 dealers here in MT last couple weeks, and was told they are not able to order 2017 F150 yet and would not likely be able to order till November; my TX dealer who sold me my 2012 EB said same last month...anyone else getting different answer? If someone is getting to order now, please advise how and where, if you can share...also, would be great to see an order form to see what else is available.
I did order a 2017 f150 about 2 weeks ago.
First dealer told me he could not order until September and would not see it until December. He also wants thousands down and non refundable!
I went to another local dealer and ordered the 2017 f150. $1000. down and refundable. He told me 8 weeks. We will see.
The week after the order , Ford invoiced the dealer on my order.
It was order as a retail sale which means that it gets built before stock orders.
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Northerngirl I have tailgate remote on my 2015 Platinum trim level. I believe it will just be in the upper trim levels. What is really cool is you can lower the tailgate with the keypad located on the door pillar. Just make sure the space is clear for it to lower. It will be worth the wait for the 10 speed transmission and the v2.0 of the 3.5L
Thanks. Yes the 10 speed transmission on the 2017 is differently an item that is making the wait a bit easier to live with.

Yes the tailgate remote would be a great feature - particularly as the truck is my daily drive and dislike having to search for my keys to drop the tailgate when my arms are full. I had hoped it would be available as a single option in 2017 as I believe GM/Chev has.

One thing that I am still not clear on and in asking the sales staff I get pretty wishy washy answers - is what axle rating is best for towing? Have read through most of this thread and still not totally clear on what axle does what for me & why I would want one over the other.

What I do know is the Max tow Packages comes with a 3.55 axle. There is also a 3.31 and 3.73 and more? I am purchasing a Super Cab with 3.5 EB and pulling a trailer of about 6000lbs, if that makes a difference.

My question is what are the big differences I will actually notice between the 3.55 axle and the others offered while towing & not towing. In not overly technical terms for those of us who are not really "car guy" types is one considered generally to be better for towing than the other and why?

Perhaps I missed a post that laid out the pros and cons of various axles. So sorry in advance if its been well covered.
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According to the order guide, the Power Tailgate Lock option is available on XL trucks and standard on XLT and above. The full remote release (where the tailgate opens with a button on the remote, not just unlocks) is standard on Lariat 501A (mid-level Lariat trim) and above.
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According to the order guide, the Power Tailgate Lock option is available on XL trucks and standard on XLT and above. The full remote release (where the tailgate opens with a button on the remote, not just unlocks) is standard on Lariat 501A (mid-level Lariat trim) and above.
THANK you. You should go to work for our local dealer
That is what I needed to know but so far dealer has not confirmed one way or the other. Ordering an XLT so that should cover it!

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THANK you. You should go to work for our local dealer
That is what I needed to know but so far dealer has not confirmed one way or the other. Ordering an XLT so that should cover it!

Doing a Happy dance!
As long as what you want to be able to unlock the tailgate from the remote but still have to pull the tailgate's handle to open it, the XLT has you covered.

Alas, I'll still have to go "Lariat Luxury" (502A) or higher to get the LED headlights, so no LED headlights with HD Payload. Decisions, decisions... vacillating over that sort of thing will help me wait another year to buy.
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Thanks. Yes the 10 speed transmission on the 2017 is differently an item that is making the wait a bit easier to live with.

Yes the tailgate remote would be a great feature - particularly as the truck is my daily drive and dislike having to search for my keys to drop the tailgate when my arms are full. I had hoped it would be available as a single option in 2017 as I believe GM/Chev has.

One thing that I am still not clear on and in asking the sales staff I get pretty wishy washy answers - is what axle rating is best for towing? Have read through most of this thread and still not totally clear on what axle does what for me & why I would want one over the other.

What I do know is the Max tow Packages comes with a 3.55 axle. There is also a 3.31 and 3.73 and more? I am purchasing a Super Cab with 3.5 EB and pulling a trailer of about 6000lbs, if that makes a difference.

My question is what are the big differences I will actually notice between the 3.55 axle and the others offered while towing & not towing. In not overly technical terms for those of us who are not really "car guy" types is one considered generally to be better for towing than the other and why?

Perhaps I missed a post that laid out the pros and cons of various axles. So sorry in advance if its been well covered.
There are several threads on the rear-end topic, by better experts than I. That being said, I will share that I am totally happy with the 3.55 with the 6 speed, 2012 Platinum 3.5L EB and I have been towing a 25' AS since it was new. Mileage for me has been 10-12 MPG when towing, and 15-22 when not towing, again, depending on speed. If I stay below 65, I get the higher numbers. The 10 speed is supposed to autolock to just 8 speeds when towing; My feeling is the 3.55 is fine all around, but with the torque and 10 speed, perhaps the 3.31 becomes interesting for some. I am happy with 3.55 and think it will be the best all around choice with the 3.5EB and 10 speed for towing or daily driver.
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