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Old 08-30-2016, 11:56 AM   #239
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So little off topic perhaps, but this may be the ultimate Airstream tow vehicle. Thanks to Jay Leno for bringing this to my attention.

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Old 08-31-2016, 11:03 AM   #240
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David, there is a Tow Package and a Max Tow Package, in 2017 the only difference is the Max Tow has the 3.55 axle included. On new modern engines equipped with turbos 3.73 is an overkill to pull any Airstream and the 3.55 will tow your Airstream quickly (65 mph at 7-10% grade towing up any mountain in North America even if your are above 10,000 feet in elevation. How do I know.... I have done it, I have owned all the axle ratios with the 3.5L EcoBoost. The 2017 v2.0 of the EcoBoost will have monster torque just under 500 ft lbs. and paired with the 10 speed transmission the 3.31 will be a good choice as well (Regular Tow Pack w/optional 3.31) for most Airstream.
We just got back from our trip that in part was on I-70 from Grand Junction going east through Denver. Pulling a 30' International (at 7,400 lbs trip ready) with our 2012 F-150 Ecoboost 3.73 axle. Ran up and over Vail Pass at a steady 45 MPH at 3000 rpm with reserve left over. One thing I do while towing is the use of 91 octane fuel. I found it makes a big difference.
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Old 08-31-2016, 01:24 PM   #241
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Speaking of sales people I like to look at trucks at a dealership that earns its living selling trucks. Here in South Dakota I have met a couple of sales people who gave me a lot of information regarding trucks without even trying to sell me one.
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Old 09-01-2016, 12:12 PM   #242
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I am sorry you have friends who have had bad luck with the EB. (how many, by the way??) I have several friends still driving 2010-2014 3.5L EB model's with lots of miles, pulling trailers with no issues. Likewise, in my travels when I see an EB, I have discussed experience and again, no issues. Sure there are cases in the F150 Forum, but as stated earlier in this thread, very small number compared to how many EB owners are out there. My experience of 88K miles as of today pulling our 25'; no turbo issues. The 3.5L EB is a towing beast, as others have stated...it indeed, is made for towing. I am glad he ended up with the truck he wanted. I will be getting another 3.5L EB with 10 speed when it is finally released, because it is made for towing as well as daily driver....but, to each his own...
I have two friends who bought their truck in 2012, one with the 3.5 EB the other with the 5.4. They are brothers and travel most of the time together. They both tow 5th wheel of the same weight of 8000 pounds (Cougar 31 feet). They drive at 70 mph (110 kph) most of the time. One turbo was replaced at 35,000 miles under warranty and he was told by a mechanic that he will replace the other one soon. Towing or not towing they said that the fuel consumption of both trucks are very close and both engine are powerfull enough. They also said that the F150 lack rigidity to tow a 5th wheel. Another member of their family who also travel with them with a 5th wheel bought a 2015 3.5 EB with the aluminum body. This new truck is much more rigid than the former F150 so better suited for towing a 5th wheel but he also replaced a turbo at 40,000 miles. I have also met a Ford dealer who admitted that the 5 litre is better for towing in terms of reliability. The fleet owners also avoid the EB. Talking to people on campground I got different versions but I have met some others who replaced the turbos.
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:28 PM   #243
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How many of you are licking out the 6th gear when towing? I've never done that with my 2016 F150 and was thinking I would try it when I leave our current campground this Saturday.
As is I'm averaging 10.5 mpg.
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:47 PM   #244
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How many of you are licking out the 6th gear when towing? I've never done that with my 2016 F150 and was thinking I would try it when I leave our current campground this Saturday.
As is I'm averaging 10.5 mpg.
You mean you don't use the tow/haul mode on the transmission when you tow? I think that will lock out 6th for you with the touch of one button.
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Old 09-01-2016, 02:13 PM   #245
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You mean you don't use the tow/haul mode on the transmission when you tow? I think that will lock out 6th for you with the touch of one button.
In my former 2013 F150 3.5L ecoboost, tow/haul did not lock me out of sixth; I had to do that manually. More than once, I found that I had not done so, with the transmission hunting/slipping between 5th and 6th on long gradual inclines. There are these long straight inclines of such eastbound from Chicago towards Pa on the toll roads.
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Old 09-01-2016, 02:38 PM   #246
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Misunderstanding of my intent; I do use tow/haul. I know to lock out the 6th gear.
I was interested in how many folk lock out that 6th gear and the impact on mpg.
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Old 09-02-2016, 03:55 AM   #247
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On my 2014 5.0. Tow does not lock out 6th. I do it myself and get the exact same mileage. 11.2
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Old 09-02-2016, 06:49 AM   #248
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My 2015 F-150 is in maintenance to replace the right trailer mirror because of loose glass. The dealer loaned me a 2016 F-150 Max Tow with optional 3.73 axle V-8. I asked if I could tow my Airstream 90 miles for the weekend and they said sure. 1st time I have towed my AS with a V-8. (I have logged over 35,000 miles towing with the v-6) The V-8 is slow to achieve highway speeds, and very noisy. At 65 mph for 90 miles I clocked 12.2 mpg... about 1.5 mpg more that my V-6 towing, but lacking passing power and lots of engine noise. Yesterday I took it on a 200 mile adventure solo and depleted the fuel. Solo at 65 mph I was getting about 22 mpg about 2 more mpg than my v-6. With almost an empty tank I put 16 gallons of E-85. Solo it has more power, and a little less fuel economy. I will tow my AS back home on Sunday, excited to see how the towing goes with E-85. (BTW all fords I have owned including this 2016 loner does not lock out 6th gear and I do not change it) I figured if Ford wanted you to tow in 5th only it would have programed it to do so. Just my opinion. Excited to take delivery of my new 2017 3.5L Ecoboost with version 2.0 of the 3.5L paired with the 10 speed. I am thinking because to the pressure on Ford to get the MGP's up this will do the trick and should be close to to the V-8 mpg's. My EcoBoost V-6 is Smooth-N-Fast all the way, the perfect match for me and towing my Airstream. The reason for purchasing my 1st Airstream 6 years ago was to keep it simple and it is easy to tow and own.
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Old 09-02-2016, 08:04 AM   #249
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I have two friends who bought their truck in 2012, one with the 3.5 EB the other with the 5.4. They are brothers and travel most of the time together. They both tow 5th wheel of the same weight of 8000 pounds (Cougar 31 feet). They drive at 70 mph (110 kph) most of the time. One turbo was replaced at 35,000 miles under warranty and he was told by a mechanic that he will replace the other one soon. Towing or not towing they said that the fuel consumption of both trucks are very close and both engine are powerfull enough. They also said that the F150 lack rigidity to tow a 5th wheel. Another member of their family who also travel with them with a 5th wheel bought a 2015 3.5 EB with the aluminum body. This new truck is much more rigid than the former F150 so better suited for towing a 5th wheel but he also replaced a turbo at 40,000 miles. I have also met a Ford dealer who admitted that the 5 litre is better for towing in terms of reliability. The fleet owners also avoid the EB. Talking to people on campground I got different versions but I have met some others who replaced the turbos.
Im surprised someone is trying to tow a 30+' 5th wheel with F150, no matter which engine. I was told by 2 dealers it is too small frame even with 12K tow package, the overall GVW was too much for the bed. I don't know a lot about 5th wheels, but seems to make sense the F150 is a bit small for that task. I have been happy with my EB for 88K now...will get another.

As for 6th gear topic, I just keep mine in tow haul mode....let the transmission do the work.
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Old 09-02-2016, 08:31 AM   #250
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How many of you are licking out the 6th gear when towing? I've never done that with my 2016 F150 and was thinking I would try it when I leave our current campground this Saturday.
As is I'm averaging 10.5 mpg.
I have 2012 EB 3.73 axle and never lock out the 6th gear. In tow-haul it rarely engages anyhow. The incline resistance and the RPM has to drop for it to upshift. In most cases I have to momentarily disengage towhaul to get itb to upshift. I have 82 K miles half of which were towing our 30' AS all over the country. The turbo problems are mostly caused by fuel problems. When towing I only use 91 octane fuel. This engine needs to be driven hard to prevent turbo problems. As to the towing ability VS the V8 engine there is absolutely no comparison. My son driving his F-150 V8 couldn't keep up with me pulling a lighter RV through the Colorado and Northen Arizona mountains. It took him a half a day to catch up with me. In the process he blew his manifolds. If you looking for a F- 150 that can tow it is the EB hands down. If you never live the flatlands the V8 is ok.
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Old 09-02-2016, 08:44 AM   #251
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Hi from AZ. . . finally got to tow my AS (27FB) with my new maxtow,FX4 Ecoblahblah & it did great. mileage is about the same as I was getting in my '11 truck, 11 / 12 per. Handled the hills to Durango fine, I'm happy. . . regards, Craig
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Old 09-02-2016, 08:56 AM   #252
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Good read. Always nice to others opinions; I'm going to stay with full band of gear ranges and use 91 octane gas next go round to measure the difference.
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