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Old 08-28-2016, 09:02 AM   #225
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The day of a salesman actually knowing all the details of what they are selling are long gone. One is lucky if he/she can quote the price while looking at the door build sheet. They will say anything to get the sale and often will "stretch the truth" since they do not have to live with the results.

One is better off going to the brand's website and build the different trucks with various configurations and watch the payload and weight changes that get reported for that configuration. However, those numbers are certainly not absolutely correct in my experience. Adding lots of glitz options does eat up a lot of load.

A few years ago when I looked at the F150, the difference between the empty weight of a base model and the King Ranch model with the same drive train was 500 pounds of glitz. That reduced the available payload by 500 pounds.

In the 150 world, it may be better to fully spec and order the truck you want versus one on the lot.
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Old 08-28-2016, 10:25 AM   #226
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3.55 works fine with the 6 speed...should be better with 10 speed

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The devil is in the details, and you'd better know the details when you go truck shopping because odds are unfortunately high that your salesman will not.

On F150s, you can get a tow package with most engines and axle ratios, so you can't assume that the regular tow package gets you a 3.73:1 axle ratio. The Max Tow package includes the 3.5 Ecoboost and the 3.55:1 axle ratio, for example. The 2.7 Ecoboost with the the cargo package includes 3.73:1. I think there are a number of 2WD configurations for which they don't even offer the 3.73 diff, but it's easier to get on the 4WD trucks.
The 3.55 with 3.5 EB package works great with the 25'. Plenty of power and torque in "tow mode". The 10 speed should be even better, as they lock out gears 9-10 in tow mode...that engine has plenty of power to haul now; 2017 model will be amazing, I predict!
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Old 08-28-2016, 03:07 PM   #227
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We're considering a 2015 Ford150 XLT with a 2.7L engine as our TV to tow a FC 20 or 22FB. Do you think this engine size can is enough especially in mountains?
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We're considering a 2015 Ford150 XLT with a 2.7L engine as our TV to tow a FC 20 or 22FB. Do you think this engine size can is enough especially in mountains?
Is this a specific truck you're looking at? Or you're looking in general for that description?

If it's properly configured/equipped it should be able to handle either of the trailers you described. From what I've read that 2.7 Ecoboost has turned out to be a decent performer, but some trucks with it come with a 3.31 axle for better fuel mileage. I've driven a 2.7, but not towing.
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It is a specific truck we looked at on the lot. I guess we need to take a look at the axle?? Are all tow packages the same? Is there something I should look for there?
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It is a specific truck we looked at on the lot. I guess we need to take a look at the axle?? Are all tow packages the same? Is there something I should look for there?
The 2.7 should spec into pulling those AS's you mention. As many have said, it is more than just the engine/gear ratio's ability to pull the AS loads to consider when looking at the TV. What is the overall tow capacity and weight you can carry with the 2.7 you mention? The 20'AS has hitch weight listed at 631lbs; the 22' (assuming it is a new Sport?) is 393lbs; subtract that from additional weight including your passengers, and see if it has enough extra capacity within your load rating on this truck to carry all your "stuff". That said, the 2.7 has been getting a lot of press...if the price were the same as 3.5, I think I would choose the 3.5. You may find you want a larger AS in the future and sometimes, "more is better!"
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It is a specific truck we looked at on the lot. I guess we need to take a look at the axle?? Are all tow packages the same? Is there something I should look for there?
The axle ratio can be determined from a code on the door-post sticker (where you'll also find that particular truck's payload rating.) It's also shown on the window sticker, and there are sources online for getting a copy of the original window sticker for recent VINs. If it's equipped with the 3.73 or 3.55 diffs it should do fine pulling your trailer. I'd want one of the E-locker axles, an open diff in a pickup truck is a bad idea, IMHO.

For all but the naturally-aspirated V6, the F150s already have a transmission cooler so the tow package is mainly the hitch receiver, wiring for the trailer lights and brakes and (depending on the trim level) the integrated trailer-brake controller built into the dash. The controller can be retrofitted by a dealer if the truck you're looking at is otherwise a good deal but doesn't have the controller. I say "by a dealer" because they have to tell the truck's computer system that it's been installed using a Ford software tool.

Towing mirrors are *NOT* included in the tow package anymore, they're a stand-alone option. On an XLT it would be manually extendable and foldable mirrors with power-controlled glass. On higher trim levels the extension and folding are done electrically.
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David, there is a Tow Package and a Max Tow Package, in 2017 the only difference is the Max Tow has the 3.55 axle included. On new modern engines equipped with turbos 3.73 is an overkill to pull any Airstream and the 3.55 will tow your Airstream quickly (65 mph at 7-10% grade towing up any mountain in North America even if your are above 10,000 feet in elevation. How do I know.... I have done it, I have owned all the axle ratios with the 3.5L EcoBoost. The 2017 v2.0 of the EcoBoost will have monster torque just under 500 ft lbs. and paired with the 10 speed transmission the 3.31 will be a good choice as well (Regular Tow Pack w/optional 3.31) for most Airstream.
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We're considering a 2015 Ford150 XLT with a 2.7L engine as our TV to tow a FC 20 or 22FB. Do you think this engine size can is enough especially in mountains?
There is no reasons at all to go with the 2.7. The v8 5.0 litre is the most reliable engine from Ford. The ecoboost are very good engines in a passenger car but whatever the sales persons say they are not made for towing. Most of the people I have met on campground and using their truck mostly for towing and having driven ecoboost equipped truck have replaced a turbo before hitting 50K miles (under warranty) and both turbos (no warranty) before 100k miles. In towing conditions the ecoboost need as much fuel as the gas engine and even more. If your towing mileage is a small percentage of your usage of the truck. It may be OK but not with the 2.7.
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You can get a build sheet for your vehicle from a dealer, I got mine through the parts department. It has all the info installed on your vehicle at the factory.
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We ended up getting the F250. Thanks to all for your input!
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There is no reasons at all to go with the 2.7. The v8 5.0 litre is the most reliable engine from Ford. The ecoboost are very good engines in a passenger car but whatever the sales persons say they are not made for towing. Most of the people I have met on campground and using their truck mostly for towing and having driven ecoboost equipped truck have replaced a turbo before hitting 50K miles (under warranty) and both turbos (no warranty) before 100k miles. In towing conditions the ecoboost need as much fuel as the gas engine and even more. If your towing mileage is a small percentage of your usage of the truck. It may be OK but not with the 2.7.
I am sorry you have friends who have had bad luck with the EB. (how many, by the way??) I have several friends still driving 2010-2014 3.5L EB model's with lots of miles, pulling trailers with no issues. Likewise, in my travels when I see an EB, I have discussed experience and again, no issues. Sure there are cases in the F150 Forum, but as stated earlier in this thread, very small number compared to how many EB owners are out there. My experience of 88K miles as of today pulling our 25'; no turbo issues. The 3.5L EB is a towing beast, as others have stated...it indeed, is made for towing. I am glad he ended up with the truck he wanted. I will be getting another 3.5L EB with 10 speed when it is finally released, because it is made for towing as well as daily driver....but, to each his own...
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