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Old 03-09-2014, 09:03 PM   #57
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What he said...
I started to send a post saying basically that, but thought I might offend someone and cancelled it...
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Old 03-09-2014, 09:13 PM   #58
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What he said...
I started to send a post saying basically that, but thought I might offend someone and cancelled it...
To be clear, I've also had some great car salesmen but I've learned that I need to do my homework so I'll know when I'm being told what he thinks I want to hear. Once I establish that the guy's honest and knowledgable it makes the whole process a lot nicer and I'm likely to be a repeat customer.

The guys who don't fit the bill? Well I don't buy the car from them.
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Old 03-09-2014, 09:23 PM   #59
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I never get to be a repeat customer because I only buy a car every 7 years or so.
In that amount of time the dealerships have moved or had a lot of employee turnover...
It will be a lot more than 7 years this time.
My 1999 has 109,000 miles and my 2007 has 34,000 miles and we have a kid in nursing school- it will be several more years.
Right now we think we want a Honda Odyssey next, but by that time we might change our minds...
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Old 03-09-2014, 09:28 PM   #60
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I never get to be a repeat customer because I only buy a car every 7 years or so.
In that amount of time the dealerships have moved or had a lot of employee turnover...
It will be a lot more than 7 years this time.
My 1999 has 109,000 miles and my 2007 has 34,000 miles and we have a kid in nursing school- it will be several more years.
Right now we think we want a Honda Odyssey next, but by that time we might change our minds...
Good for you! I'm hooked on new cars even though I know it's a horrific waste of money. On the plus side, I've helped out the gently used car market on more than one occasion.
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Old 03-09-2014, 09:40 PM   #61
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Yes, that's exactly what he means, but he insists on telling me it has the "tow package" which in my world means trans cooler and oil cooler and maybe even the heavier susp.

I looked up the RPO code for the integrated brake controller and it is a stand alone option - JL1. It has no relationship to the other tow package items.

Sales guys get confused between "trailering options" and "Tow Package Options." Trailering is a receiver and plug, that's about it.
It could be that Max Trailering Package means different things on different models of GM vehicle (SUVs and trucks), and it may have been packaged differently in earlier years.

I can say, that for 2014 GM half tons, Max Trailering means:

9.76" rear axle
3.73 axle ratio
trailer brake controller
enhanced cooling radiator
revised shock tuning for increased control
heavier duty rear springs and increased RGAWR

Note that it is also possible to order the trailer brake controller as a separate standalone option. Also, the aux transmission cooler is standard equipment on the SLT and Denali trim lines, but can be ordered as an option on lower trims.

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Old 03-09-2014, 09:53 PM   #62
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It could be that Max Trailering Package means different things on different models of GM vehicle (SUVs and trucks), and it may have been packaged differently in earlier years.

I can say, that for 2014 GM half tons, Max Trailering means:

9.76" rear axle
3.73 axle ratio
trailer brake controller
enhanced cooling radiator
revised shock tuning for increased control
heavier duty rear springs and increased RGAWR

Note that it is also possible to order the trailer brake controller as a separate standalone option. Also, the aux transmission cooler is standard equipment on the SLT and Denali trim lines, but can be ordered as an option on lower trims.

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Great info, thanks for the clarification!
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We get along quite well with our '07 Yukon XL Denali. The exhaust has a nice tone which I don't find objectionable during towing. Helps drown out the kids whining!

We mostly tow in manual mode with the limit set to 5th gear. The 6.2L cruises nicely @ 2000 RPM and 65 mph. Occasionally it will drop to 4th for longer hill which raises RPM to 2800 or so. For steep climbs I usually slow to 60 mph which is around 3200 RPM in 3rd.

If I recall correctly, transmission temps are usually around 140 F during towing. There's a DIC setting to monitor transmission temp which is nice.
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:30 PM   #64
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I am picking up a '15 Yukon slt later in the week. There is only one HD trailer option which includes 3.42 rear axle, integrated trailer brake controller (cannot be ordered without HD), increased capacity suspension with rear air level and 2 speed AutoTrac transfer case with 4 wheel drive.
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I am picking up a '15 Yukon slt later in the week. There is only one HD trailer option which includes 3.42 rear axle, integrated trailer brake controller (cannot be ordered without HD), increased capacity suspension with rear air level and 2 speed AutoTrac transfer case with 4 wheel drive.
Question: does the HD trailer option not include a transmission cooler? Seems like it should.
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When I went to see them last week, I didn't see a aux cooler like the one on my Tahoe. Salesman had no idea
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Old 03-12-2014, 12:12 AM   #67
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I have to admit I'm tempted to go down to the dealer and check these issues out for myself. My 2001 Sube just turned 230300 and is doing fine. Really. Still "good" (relatively speaking) gas mileage (not towing) from AZ back to Montana last week of 17 on I-15 at 75 (that's with non-ethanol gas) but a new transfer case is on the to do list. My concern is that I'll like what I see... in the 2015 models... always a bad thing when you're at a dealer, in my view!

By the way, towing our '76 Overlander at 65+/- hardly ever gets above 190* on the transmission temps - that's with 180-190 on water temps, too. I'd love to see 140 but those are great numbers, Kyle.
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Old 03-12-2014, 12:28 AM   #68
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Question: does the HD trailer option not include a transmission cooler? Seems like it should.

I agree that it should but it's not listed as one of the elements of the Max Towing package. I wonder if they've integrated it in the radiator? It's certainly something to get a concrete answer on although they're easy enough install (or case to be installed in my case) after buying.
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Standard SLT equipment includes: Heavy duty trailer ing hitch platform, 7 wire harness, auxilliary external heavy duty air to oil transmission cooler and external engine oil cooler heavy duty air to oil integral to driver side of radiator. The heavy duty towing package adds equipment as noted above.
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Standard SLT equipment includes: Heavy duty trailer ing hitch platform, 7 wire harness, auxilliary external heavy duty air to oil transmission cooler and external engine oil cooler heavy duty air to oil integral to driver side of radiator. The heavy duty towing package adds equipment as noted above.
Can you provide a source for this info? To be clear, I believe that you're correct but I've looked online and not found it.
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