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Old 01-14-2015, 12:24 PM   #15
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I remember that cummins built a 903 V8 265 hp for a big truck and a 555 ,triple nickel which was 225 hp used in smaller trucks both were v8 and were real short lived,the one 's I were around were junk..the only good V8 big truck engine I remember was the cat 3408 at that time they produced 500 hp up ,back then fuel was cheap. Unless things change I will have to keep driving the inline 6 for 2-3 more years, then I will be ready for a new one, another I 6 , maybe they will produce a four banger.......no such thing as too much horsepower or money.....
While it's not at all applicable to the half-ton Nissan, Cummins has built seriously long-lived and capable big-truck engines for a long time, like the 855 and the L-series. Are you talking just about V8s?
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Old 01-14-2015, 08:16 PM   #16
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I was talking of the old obsolete V8 cummins,they were not very good...The engine dodge uses was designed by a group of engineers from dodge ,ford was involved as was cummins and case and several other equipment manufactures and they give it to cummins as they are known world wide. I always had Cats and never had any problems unlike the old 855's which had head bolts breaking, broken crankshafts leaking head gaskets, all that has now changed.........
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Given that the 5.0 Cummins is untested, I'd feel better buying Ram's VM Motori-supplied diesel (if I was in the market for a half ton). Time will tell.
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I am kind of surprised that you prefer the Italian engine. I am not a diesel guy but even I have always heard that Cummins built seriously fine power plants.

But, time will tell...

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They did a Tundra type re-style. Changed a little sheet metal. The cab is the same. They changed the body lines on the bed and changed the front cap a little. The introduction of a diesel engine option is the most significant thing they did. I'm still a Tundra fan boy. The Titan is even more overdue for a total re-style.
Yeah I just don't get the Japanese in the truck market, back in the early 2000's when the new Tundra and Titan hit the market they where game changers, but it feels like both Toyota and Nissan are slow to offer real changes and think of truck buyers as stupid Americans when the big 3 have all made huge improvements in the last 5 years, especially in terms of design and build quality and materials used.

Whew, that was a run on sentence.
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That's because they aren't Japanese at all. It is designed in California and manufactured in Mississippi. These trucks are most likely not even exported to Japan.
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Look at the Tacoma. Why change anything about an outdated truck when it is still number 1 in the small truck market. The big 3 changes are motivated by government cafe standards. Toyota and Nissan may stop producing big pickups rather than conform to standards. Nissan introducing a diesel may be their step toward complying with the standard. When it cones down to it, Toyota could make a diesel with a 6 cylinder Hino diesel engine. We'll see.
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...and we'll see how the Colorado/Canyon eats that 73% Tacoma market share......
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It all depends on how you define "improvements". My Titan has analog gauges (except the odo). Mechanical knobs and switches. I have to lower my own tailgate and move my own seat fore and aft. But none of this stuff has ever broken in 10 years and 183000 miles.

What is that shiny new lcd screen going to cost to replace? Do you need touch screens? Sonar? Leather seats? WiFi? Bluetooth? In your truck? How are all those spiffy little toys going to hold up for the next ten years? Will any of the protocols (WiFi, Bluetooth etc.) still be in use in three years, much less 10.

When the time comes, I'd like a new truck a lot like my old one. Simple, robust mechanical systems, a nice ride, starts every day,
Fewest computers possible. Comfortable seats.

But it's not going to happen. Whatever I buy will be chock full of gadgets. Expensive, complex gadgets. I just hope they are as well engineered and long-lived as the modern powerplants.

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It all depends on how you define "improvements". My Titan has analog gauges (except the odo). Mechanical knobs and switches. I have to lower my own tailgate and move my own seat fore and aft. But none of this stuff has ever broken in 10 years and 183000 miles.

What is that shiny new lcd screen going to cost to replace? Do you need touch screens? Sonar? Leather seats? WiFi? Bluetooth? In your truck? How are all those spiffy little toys going to hold up for the next ten years? Will any of the protocols (WiFi, Bluetooth etc.) still be in use in three years, much less 10.

When the time comes, I'd like a new truck a lot like my old one. Simple, robust mechanical systems, a nice ride, starts every day,
Fewest computers possible. Comfortable seats.

But it's not going to happen. Whatever I buy will be chock full of gadgets. Expensive, complex gadgets. I just hope they are as well engineered and long-lived as the modern powerplants.

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The same complaints were being made prior to the first installation of computers into cars in 1980.
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I am kind of a Luddite. But, I don't even want to think about going back to a carb or a mechanical distributor. Or drum brakes...

But, you sit inside Brand _____________(fill in the name of your favorite) and turn the key (if it has one) and it looks a lot like the docking scenes in Kubrick's 2001, A Space Odyssey.

Rant over. Tired now. Need beer.

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That's because they aren't Japanese at all. It is designed in California and manufactured in Mississippi. These trucks are most likely not even exported to Japan.
The companies are and thus top level decisions down are made that way. So from a perspective of motivation. Although I know they are designed in house. That being said, car companies seem to shuffle management regularly, and each one puts different priorities on different market segments.

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Look at the Tacoma. Why change anything about an outdated truck when it is still number 1 in the small truck market. The big 3 changes are motivated by government cafe standards. Toyota and Nissan may stop producing big pickups rather than conform to standards. Nissan introducing a diesel may be their step toward complying with the standard. When it cones down to it, Toyota could make a diesel with a 6 cylinder Hino diesel engine. We'll see.
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...and we'll see how the Colorado/Canyon eats that 73% Tacoma market share......
I've loved the Taco, and almost built one as an Expo rig. Got take a look at a coworkers new Colorado, and man, government motors stepped up the game. Worlds above that turd they where producing. And I think a serious contender against the Tacoma.

But you know the Tacoma is kind of cemented now, Ford all up and exited that market, Dodge doesn't have the Dakota anymore and GM was producing a subpar truck for awhile people forgot.

But then again, the Camaro got really terrible for awhile and when it returned it dug into Mustang sales hard, but that only lasted 4 yrs before Mustang climbed back on top. But the stang has always been a better value.

But the Tacoma's have a seriously following, especially in the offroad community. The only reason I never bought one myself when finding a vehicle to build as an expo rig was that pricing wise, I could buy a fullsize truck for just a full grand more.

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It all depends on how you define "improvements". My Titan has analog gauges (except the odo). Mechanical knobs and switches. I have to lower my own tailgate and move my own seat fore and aft. But none of this stuff has ever broken in 10 years and 183000 miles.

What is that shiny new lcd screen going to cost to replace? Do you need touch screens? Sonar? Leather seats? WiFi? Bluetooth? In your truck? How are all those spiffy little toys going to hold up for the next ten years? Will any of the protocols (WiFi, Bluetooth etc.) still be in use in three years, much less 10.

When the time comes, I'd like a new truck a lot like my old one. Simple, robust mechanical systems, a nice ride, starts every day,
Fewest computers possible. Comfortable seats.

But it's not going to happen. Whatever I buy will be chock full of gadgets. Expensive, complex gadgets. I just hope they are as well engineered and long-lived as the modern powerplants.

Mike
Well my Trailblazer is a 2003 and all that stuff still works. And the Ram is a 2010 so it's 5 years old and still all works.

And well, we've got an original ipod floating around and last time I fiddled with that thing from 2001 it still worked.

I'd define improvements as things that add to the functionality of the vehicle rather than just bells and whistles. Like projector headlamps at this point in time should just be standard. They're proven. I'm annoyed they're mostly an option on trucks.

But then again I'm a automotive enthusiast. Not really a 1 single brand guy, I can appreciate every vehicle for what it is.

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Back to the Titan here, that XD variant that isn't a 3/4 ton but more than a 1/2 ton, it's very very interesting to me. I think it might become it's own market segment in the next few years. I posted above earlier that GM had a 1500HD for a couple of years.

Could be interesting to see if others go there. I think if Toyota does it, the big 3 might follow suite.
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Bold, only time will tell. The current Tacoma is very old and tired. Why give the public what they are paying for, when their only competition is a more tired and weak Frontier. The much balley hooed "all new Tacoma" on the horizon will be the tale in the making. Our intel seems to contradict their public statements. I predict the new one will be a relatively minor redo....or will be delayed for at least a year from their claims. I hear they were very shocked to see GM's return to the market and when they got their early intel in relative to the Colorado, they went "Oh Sh**!!" and went back to the drawing board for a ground up major.

YES, corporate spying is alive and well.
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Also, the 1500hd was a stop gap. The market suddenly went to very heavy crew cab demand. The GMT800 (1500)was nearing the end of it's engineering lifecycle. Problem was, adding a crew to the existing 800 program left little payload. GM took the 2500 frame and detuned the suspension (and other associated parts) to bridge the gap until the all new chassis GMT900 (1500) line came up.....then there was "no need" for a 1500hd.

BUT, I still scream for a detuned suspensioned 2500 with a 6.2 liter spec'ed for the RV and boating market. But, I have no pull whatsoever.
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