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Old 04-07-2015, 07:59 AM   #15
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The same Fiat diesel engine is used in the 1500 Ram pickup which could give some folks heart burn. One would hope the motor would last the warranty period, but I think I read they did shorten that time frame and or decrease the covered mileage for the power train warranty.........
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While I can't speak of the JGC, I do know how the power train performs towing.

I bought my first Chrysler product last summer. I never thought I'd find myself in anything from Chrysler, but it is the best vehicle I've ever owned. It is a RAM 1500 4x4 Crew Cab Lonestar with the 3.0L VM Motori EcoDIESEL engine. It rides wonderfully and tows like a dream. I get 22-23 MPG in normal driving and 15 MPG towing my '72 Ambassador. It is an excellent vehicle for my use.
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The same Fiat diesel engine is used in the 1500 Ram pickup which could give some folks heart burn. One would hope the motor would last the warranty period, but I think I read they did shorten that time frame and or decrease the covered mileage for the power train warranty.........
First, it isn't a FIAT diesel. It is a VM Motori L630DOHC originally developed for the Euro Cadilac when VM was partially owned by GM.

Please explain the heartburn you think I should have.

Your claim about the warranty needs facts to support. You are just casting FUD with no experience.
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I seriously looked at the Jeep (Overland Diesel Edition) and then went with a Mercedes 350 Blue TEC Certified Pre-Owned (CPO). Although 2-years old, it had very low mileage (as most CPO's are) in showroom condition and more importantly, they extended the Factory Warranty for another year with UNLIMITED miles! Then I haggled for 2 more years of extended warranty so I'm good until 2019 with no mileage restriction. Plus, it's a Mercedes, which is something to consider when you drive without a trailer attached. Mine is a proven V6, twin turbo diesel that just goes and goes. All in all, it ended up costing $1,500 more out the door than the Overland edition Jeep and with the miles I usually put on in a year (well over 30K) that unlimited miles factory warranty is starting to look like a great buy. Something to consider and it's assembled in Alabama so at least some of the dollars stay here in America!
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We are not aware of a reduced warranty period for the Ram Ecodiesel nor is the dealership where we test-drove one yesterday. Where is this coming from?

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Warranty

If you are purchasing a factory extended warranty. You will not be able to purchase an unlimited miles warranty. They limit the diesel to a 5 years.

The jeep still has regular power train and emission warranty. Same as any other new jeep


I decided not to purchase an extended warranty myself. I don't believe in them. To date my eco diesel has only need software updates and oil changes.
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LOL, this is a public forum and Airforums. Mostly just uninformed opinions here. If you want facts you will have to seek them out yourself.
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We are not aware of a reduced warranty period for the Ram Ecodiesel nor is the dealership where we test-drove one yesterday. Where is this coming from?

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It comes from people wanting to cast doubt about the EcoDiesel. Why anyone that doesn't actually own an EcoDiesel would do that, makes me wonder. Maybe they feel the need to share what they thought was helpful information, but I don't think it helps anyone to spread internet forum rumors.
The only warranty reduction I know of is Ford's Powertrain warranty to 60,000 miles. I looked on Ford's website, but had a difficult time locating the warranty information. I did find basic warranty information here.

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I test pulled my 2012 25' FB with a 2014 Grand Cherokee over the Eisenhower tunnel both directions in the winter with the outside ambient around 35 degrees. It pushed the temp gauge right to the red line. I rolled down the windows turned the heat on full blast and finally had to come to a near crawl for fear of burning up the demo before I got it back to Denver. The dealers response after nearly a week was bad fuel end of discussion. I would never attempt the pull if it were summer temps.

I bought a 2014 ML350 Bluetec and now pull a 2015 30' Bunk.The Benz will get warm (max 90C under 200F) on 6% plus grades in the summer. I still turn the interior heat on to assist which will bring it back down to 80C. We have over 30k on the ML with half of that actual towing in and out of CO.

Best mileage around 16 towing cruise at 65 no wind. It goes down to 12 worst case depending on speed and head winds.

I do have the hitch reinforced (CanAm) and pull with a PP.

We absolutely love the ML for towing and daily driving. I am very disappointed that the ML is no longer being offered with the 3.0 diesel so I guess we will need to move up to the GL in a year or two. Maybe low mileage used at that point.
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I test pulled my 2012 25' FB with a 2014 Grand Cherokee over the Eisenhower tunnel both directions in the winter with the outside ambient around 35 degrees. It pushed the temp gauge right to the red line. I rolled down the windows turned the heat on full blast and finally had to come to a near crawl for fear of burning up the demo before I got it back to Denver. The dealers response after nearly a week was bad fuel end of discussion. I would never attempt the pull if it were summer temps.
Did any warning lights or chimes alert you to an overheating condition, or did you just feel it was too hot? Does the Jeep GC have a digital temperature readout or just the hapless gauge? If it does have the digital temperature in the EVIC, what was the indicated temperature?
In heavy load conditions, the PCM will limit fuel flow to avoid overheating. If you didn't have any warning chimes or messages, you were within normal operating temperatures.
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Did any warning lights or chimes alert you to an overheating condition, or did you just feel it was too hot? Does the Jeep GC have a digital temperature readout or just the hapless gauge? If it does have the digital temperature in the EVIC, what was the indicated temperature?
In heavy load conditions, the PCM will limit fuel flow to avoid overheating. If you didn't have any warning chimes or messages, you were within normal operating temperatures.
This was windows down, AC off, heat full on and starting to slow down.

I do not consider this normal with 32 degree ambient and would not ever wait for warning chimes or messages before I started taking actions to keep it from getting there. That is why I watch the gauges.

Others have shared the same concerns. I am a big fan of the Cherokee and have owned several over the years. It was my first choice until the test pull.
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So, you really don't know what the actual temperature was then?

Your test tow is a good read and I thank you for sharing. Your thread caused me to have concern about overheating in the EcoDiesel, but I have not had the same experience that you have, nor do I know of anyone else that has with the JGC or the RAM 1500. There may have been a problem with that particular unit.
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I would expect the eco diesel ram truck to do fine. I traded my 2500 HD Denali for the ML to get out of a truck TV.


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