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Old 12-02-2015, 12:29 PM   #43
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Well, I just returned this truck to the dealer, after going to the CAT scales. (Hard to do, such a nice truck). The base curb weight of the truck is 5480 lbs, as built with a full 36 gallons of fuel and no people or cargo in the truck.(The weight I got at the CAT scales) The MSO (Manufactors Statement of Origin) says the shipping weight is 4784, but the scales don't lie. The GVWR is 7000 lbs. as stated on the placard, leaving 1520 lbs. of payload. That is not enough for me, my wife and dog, 27' Airstream tongue weight etc. When I ordered the truck they misquoted the payload at 2060. I talked to the owner of the dealership today when I returned the truck for over an hour. He basically apologized and said they were stupid, instead of the conversation I had been getting from the sales manager that I was incorrect and the payload was 2060 lbs. (Wrong)!
So lesson learned the majority of Ford dealers do not know about payload and towing requirements, but want to act like they do.
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Cargo Capacity is the number on the Tire and Loading Information Placard (the yellow sticker) on the door jamb for this very reason that is coming out in this thread. The dealers typically do not know or they like stretching the truth. The yellow sticker shows the actual, bonafide cargo capacity for that specific vehicle. This number is derived from the vehicle's build and options that are installed.
This is the exact issue we have been dealing with in our decision to buy a new F150 to tow a 25'FC. I've spent most of the last 6 months digging in websites and crunching numbers waiting for the 2016s to come out so I could buy my DH his trailer backing assist feature. FWIW, deep in the bowels of the Ford website there is a note that the payload capacity on an individual vehicle is calculated based on the weight of the vehicle, all options, one 150lb person and a full tank of fuel. This seems to be supported based on the actual scale numbers posted by Hiho Silver.

Knowing that the 2060# payload number is a pipe dream (and yes, we were also told this was the cargo capacity by the dealership "truck guru"), we decided to go ahead and order an F150 anyway because a 250 was not an option for us for a number of reasons. Hopefully, we won't have to go on a starvation diet to be able to tow safely!
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This is the exact issue we have been dealing with in our decision to buy a new F150 to tow a 25'FC. I've spent most of the last 6 months digging in websites and crunching numbers waiting for the 2016s to come out so I could buy my DH his trailer backing assist feature. FWIW, deep in the bowels of the Ford website there is a note that the payload capacity on an individual vehicle is calculated based on the weight of the vehicle, all options, one 150lb person and a full tank of fuel. This seems to be supported based on the actual scale numbers posted by Hiho Silver.

Knowing that the 2060# payload number is a pipe dream (and yes, we were also told this was the cargo capacity by the dealership "truck guru"), we decided to go ahead and order an F150 anyway because a 250 was not an option for us for a number of reasons. Hopefully, we won't have to go on a starvation diet to be able to tow safely!
If you don't "need" the fanciest bits, you can get an XLT with the HD Payload option and get an actual payload figure well above 2,000 lb, but you're limited to the "XLT Mid" level of equipment (pkg 301A) as the max level of poshness. That cuts out some nice features of the F150 like the LED headlights, leather, configurable 8" video screen between the speedo and tach, etc. You have to be careful, though, especially if dealing with a low-information salesman, because there are confusing names of packages like the "Payload Package" (that's just for the 2.7 Ecoboost) and the "HD Trailer Towing" package that gets the rear-view camera and I think the trailer backup assist gadgetry but not necessarily the capability of Max Tow or HD Payload (which includes Max Tow).

If you order a Lariat or higher you can't get HD Payload so you start with a heavier truck and can't access the higher-payload equipment and payload really starts to drop. If you want a short- or medium-wheelbase truck you can't get HD Payload either. TANSTAAFL.
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2015 Ford F150 4x4 – what does your payload sticker read?

I thought the HD Payload package and HD Towing package were both available with the Lariat trim package. Is this not correct?

Mind you when I went to the Ford site and built a truck online with those options this unit was considered a 2016. So I'm guessing that might make a difference.
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HD towing probably is, Max Tow certainly is. If HD payload is available on Lariat, it's only on the base Lariat trim and all the goodies are in the Mid and Luxury packages (LED lights, 8" productivity screen, etc.)
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HD towing probably is, Max Tow certainly is. If HD payload is available on Lariat, it's only on the base Lariat trim and all the goodies are in the Mid and Luxury packages (LED lights, 8" productivity screen, etc.)
From the Ford "proprietary" dealer truck order sheet:

Usage: Increases GVWR to 7600 lbs. on XL and 7650 lbs. on XLT and Lariat

Availability: Option on XL, XLT Base, XLT Mid and Lariat base pkg.

Requires: Trailer tow pkg when ordered with 5.0L engine
Max trailer tow pkg when ordered with 3.5L EcoBoost

Includes: 3.73 Electronic locking rear axle
9.75" gearset
Upgraded springs and aux. trans. oil cooler
18" silver aluminum heavy duty pkg wheels

Not available with:
145" wheelbase on XL, XLT,and Lariat

So if you want to order a Lariat with HD tow pkg, it will have the longer bed (157") wheelbase, and the Base 500A pkg, so not available with the mid or luxury pkg.on the Lariat
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Good info DKB and Hiho.... Thanks
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2015 Ford F150 Payload

I have a 2015 F150 4X2 Super crew with 3.5 Ecoboost engine. Yellow sticker payload is 1923#. I pull a 2007 Safari 19' Bambi with Reese stabilizer setup. 23 gal. tank 3.75 rear.
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If you don't "need" the fanciest bits, you can get an XLT with the HD Payload option and get an actual payload figure well above 2,000 lb, but you're limited to the "XLT Mid" level of equipment (pkg 301A) as the max level of poshness. That cuts out some nice features of the F150 like the LED headlights, leather, configurable 8" video screen between the speedo and tach, etc. You have to be careful, though, especially if dealing with a low-information salesman, because there are confusing names of packages like the "Payload Package" (that's just for the 2.7 Ecoboost) and the "HD Trailer Towing" package that gets the rear-view camera and I think the trailer backup assist gadgetry but not necessarily the capability of Max Tow or HD Payload (which includes Max Tow).

If you order a Lariat or higher you can't get HD Payload so you start with a heavier truck and can't access the higher-payload equipment and payload really starts to drop. If you want a short- or medium-wheelbase truck you can't get HD Payload either. TANSTAAFL.
DKB, I think you nailed the issues. Unfortunately, the only way to get my DH into a truck was to lay down a trail of the "fanciest bits"...therefore payload is suffering. Since this is my 4th truck purchase, I have learned to do my own homework and ignore most of what the sales people say.
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Time for me to tow

Greetings,

I've read through this very helpful thread as I am about to buy a truck. I am looking at a 2013 Ford F-150 Lariat SuperCrew 4WD to pull a 1972 29' Ambassador.

This is for occasional towing as I am a work-timer. I do need to be able to pull it up into the NC Smoky Mountains from time to time.

Will something like this do the job?

2013 Ford F-150 Lariat SuperCrew 4WD
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4-Wheel Disc Brakes,ABS brakes,,Power Telescoping Trailer Tow Side Mirrors,Reverse Sensing System,Tachometer,Max Trailer Tow Pkg - Chrome Mirror,Trailer Brake Controller,20" 6-Spoke Machined-Aluminum Wheels,,3.55 Axle Ratio
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Ought to do fine. With the Ecoboost and a 3.55 rear, power is plentiful. What is the payload on this truck? That will be the limiting factor. 1750# would be good, more better.

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I bought one. 2013 F-150 Lariat, 3.5 V-6 Eco-Boost, 3.73, Max Tow Package, 7200# GVWR Package, 1612# Payload rating. Fingers crossed.
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1612# payload will work depending on how much stuff you put into the truck bed. You are pushing the envelope.
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I bought one. 2013 F-150 Lariat, 3.5 V-6 Eco-Boost, 3.73, Max Tow Package, 7200# GVWR Package, 1612# Payload rating. Fingers crossed.
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In my shopping, I found that the F-150 with the max payload and the max tow package would spec out at a 1720 lb rated payload, with the Lariat crew cab. This was for pre-aluminum models. That should work fine.
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