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Old 11-24-2015, 09:24 AM   #29
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I have a 2015 3.5L Ecoboost tow vehicle.

I have spent the past year towing a 23FB Flying Cloud (About 6000 GVW). Towing capacity for the F150 is 10,700 Lbs according to the vehicle specs. I have taken this trailer to Colorado, South Dakota(Both in the mountains), Texas, and Tenn. (10,000 miles). No problems at all. As a matter of fact I have been amazed at how easy the towing is. I get about 12 miles to the gallon while towing. Low 20s when not towing. I have just traded the 2015 Flying Cloud this past week for a 2016 27FB (7600 GVW). The Airstream dealer has assured me there will be no problem with this extra weight. I test drove the new trailer for about 20 or 30 miles and felt very little difference in the "towing feel" over the 23FB.
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Old 11-24-2015, 10:46 AM   #30
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The GVWR on this truck is 7000 lbs. as shown in the picture of the white sticker on the door jamb. The invoice says the shipping weight of the truck is 4784 lbs without much fuel. This truck has a 36 gallon fuel tank so another 216 lbs for fuel should add up to 5000 lbs., although I guess going to the CAT scales is the only way to know for sure. If these numbers are correct then it seems like the "cargo or as many call it, payload capacity" would be 2000 lbs, not the 1506 lbs printed on the yellow sticker. I'm not sure why the numbers are so different, or if I should feel comfortable with 2000 lbs loaded on my truck. Just don't want to have buyers remorse. Thanks for all the input.
I wish the yellow sticker was a larger number, more like the number the OP found on the truck he is purchasing.
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First, I am suspicious of the 4784 lbs. shipping weight you have. That seems too low for me. I would recommend you get it to a scale to confirm the number. I recognize that Ford has reduced the weight with aluminum body parts in '15 by design. It appears they have also had a corresponding reduction in GVWR too. It used to be 7200 pounds GVWR.

Second, I applaud you gaining full understanding on what you are spending the big bucks on. Once you drive it off the lot it is yours and the depreciation hit is instantaneous if you decide it is not what you wanted or worse, what you needed.

Unfortunately you have to advocate for yourself and you cannot always rely on the dealer or their salesperson to give you accurate information. Their job is to sell it to you and get you off the lot with it. They will make you sign a sales agreement full of language that lets them off the hook. It likely includes your agreement to arbitration in case of dispute and yes, they get to choose the arbitrator.
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Old 11-24-2015, 12:10 PM   #31
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FWIW. My 2015 scab 145" wb 5L 4x4 with 36 gal tank yellow sticker says max of 2046
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Old 11-24-2015, 07:03 PM   #32
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"First, I am suspicious of the 4784 lbs. shipping weight you have. That seems too low for me. I would recommend you get it to a scale to confirm the number. I recognize that Ford has reduced the weight with aluminum body parts in '15 by design. It appears they have also had a corresponding reduction in GVWR too. It used to be 7200 pounds GVWR."

Alphonse,
Thanks for your advice. I too am suspicious of the shipping weight and whatever the dealer says, but the scales don't lie.
I have the truck in my garage and I'm heading to the CAT scales tomorrow morning, as you suggested. (I have not even given them a deposit yet) I hope the shipping weight is accurate, because it is a beauty.
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"First, I am suspicious of the 4784 lbs. shipping weight you have. That seems too low for me. I would recommend you get it to a scale to confirm the number. I recognize that Ford has reduced the weight with aluminum body parts in '15 by design. It appears they have also had a corresponding reduction in GVWR too. It used to be 7200 pounds GVWR."

Alphonse,
Thanks for your advice. I too am suspicious of the shipping weight and whatever the dealer says, but the scales don't lie.
I have the truck in my garage and I'm heading to the CAT scales tomorrow morning, as you suggested. (I have not even given them a deposit yet) I hope the shipping weight is accurate, because it is a beauty.

i highly douth a king ranch will be much above 1500lbs. That is a trime for the F150. XLT is the work horses but with very little options.

this dealer in canada is great as they understand people care about this kind of details. they include a pictures of the yellow door jab sticker of all the inventory trucks. You can easily check a configuration to know a real world payload.

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Old 11-25-2015, 06:53 AM   #34
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A dealer that understands the numbers!!

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i highly douth a king ranch will be much above 1500lbs. That is a trime for the F150. XLT is the work horses but with very little options.

this dealer in canada is great as they understand people care about this kind of details. they include a pictures of the yellow door jab sticker of all the inventory trucks. You can easily check a configuration to know a real world payload.

HANNA MOTORS | Vehicles for sale in Collingwood, ON L9Y 1W5
It is quite interesting to see a dealer that actually posts photos of the Tire and Loading Information Placard. They must be one of the few dealers that understand the numbers and what they mean!
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Old 11-25-2015, 09:12 AM   #35
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I went through the same drill during the 9 months that I was truck shopping. Wife just couldn't deal with the larger mass/size of a 3/4 ton. If you beat on 'em enough, you can get them to text you a photo of the door sticker. At the time, Ford was not building the max payload package in the new aluminum truck. The most payload I found in the old version in a Lariat crew cab was 1720. That was with max payload/max trailer tow packages. If memory serves, the on-line configuration for the max payload aluminum F150 would not allow either the larger fuel tank or a sunroof to be ordered with that package and specified the long bed. I finally got a '15 GMC 1500 with the max trailer tow package that specs out at 1960 lbs. on the yellow sticker in a loaded crew cab ("SLT") with no sun roof. This has taken our FC27 across country quite satisfactorily, getting from 11-14 mpg at 60 mph, depending on terrain. The 420 hp 460 lb.-ft. 6.2 liter engine and 8-speed tranny has taken us up and down some 9 1/2 % grades.
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"First, I am suspicious of the 4784 lbs. shipping weight you have. That seems too low for me. I would recommend you get it to a scale to confirm the number. I recognize that Ford has reduced the weight with aluminum body parts in '15 by design. It appears they have also had a corresponding reduction in GVWR too. It used to be 7200 pounds GVWR."

Alphonse,
Thanks for your advice. I too am suspicious of the shipping weight and whatever the dealer says, but the scales don't lie.
I have the truck in my garage and I'm heading to the CAT scales tomorrow morning, as you suggested. (I have not even given them a deposit yet) I hope the shipping weight is accurate, because it is a beauty.
Well, I just returned this truck to the dealer, after going to the CAT scales. (Hard to do, such a nice truck). The base curb weight of the truck is 5480 lbs, as built with a full 36 gallons of fuel and no people or cargo in the truck.(The weight I got at the CAT scales) The MSO (Manufactors Statement of Origin) says the shipping weight is 4784, but the scales don't lie. The GVWR is 7000 lbs. as stated on the placard, leaving 1520 lbs. of payload. That is not enough for me, my wife and dog, 27' Airstream tongue weight etc. When I ordered the truck they misquoted the payload at 2060. I talked to the owner of the dealership today when I returned the truck for over an hour. He basically apologized and said they were stupid, instead of the conversation I had been getting from the sales manager that I was incorrect and the payload was 2060 lbs. (Wrong)!
So lesson learned the majority of Ford dealers do not know about payload and towing requirements, but want to act like they do.
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So lesson learned the majority of Ford dealers do not know about payload and towing requirements, but want to act like they do.
Good thing you did your checks up front, and better to sort it out now.

I would point out that this is not necessarily a Ford dealer issue; many dealers do not understand payload ratings, regardless of the brand.

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Hiho - sorry the situation turned out like it did, but hopefully this thread was helpful and saved you some cash down the road. I had to show two sales guys where the yellow sticker on the truck was when they kept insisting the payload capacity was 2,060 (even though Ford website has a max of 2,020 for the configuration I was looking at). They were really clueless and just wanted to talk about LED lights in the bed....

I suspect the 4,700 lbs shipping weight is directly off of the Ford website for a stripped down truck and has no relation to the truck you almost bought.

I didn't end up buying the F150 I went to see. Just couldn't get there on the trade value. Plus, I just didn't have a good feeling about the 5.5ft bed when inspecting up close. We usually have a few bikes, kids' toys, firewood, etc in the back. I have been driving the F250 to work all week and think I can do it on a daily basis, just need to find somewhere else the park. The F150 drove like a car in comparison- really smooth.

Thanks everyone for your input!
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I have that truck in King Ranch including the 36 gal. gas tank. My payload sticker on door post says 1451 lbs. Note- this specifically excludes weight of full gas tank and average driver weight per manual in glove box from Ford.
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I have that truck in King Ranch including the 36 gal. gas tank. My payload sticker on door post says 1451 lbs. Note- this specifically excludes weight of full gas tank and average driver weight per manual in glove box from Ford.
Could you scan that and post it here for us all to see ? I suspect that statement has to do with towing capacity and not cargo capacity. So I am quite keen to read it. Thanks in advance.
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Glad you avoided buyer's remorse on a big purchase.

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Well, I just returned this truck to the dealer, after going to the CAT scales. (Hard to do, such a nice truck). The base curb weight of the truck is 5480 lbs, as built with a full 36 gallons of fuel and no people or cargo in the truck.(The weight I got at the CAT scales) The MSO (Manufactors Statement of Origin) says the shipping weight is 4784, but the scales don't lie. The GVWR is 7000 lbs. as stated on the placard, leaving 1520 lbs. of payload. That is not enough for me, my wife and dog, 27' Airstream tongue weight etc. When I ordered the truck they misquoted the payload at 2060. I talked to the owner of the dealership today when I returned the truck for over an hour. He basically apologized and said they were stupid, instead of the conversation I had been getting from the sales manager that I was incorrect and the payload was 2060 lbs. (Wrong)!
So lesson learned the majority of Ford dealers do not know about payload and towing requirements, but want to act like they do.
So 1520 lbs cargo capacity confirmed at the scales compared to 1506 lbs on the Tire and Loading Information Placard. As expected, the Tire and Loading Placard is slightly conservative.

Sorry that the truck proved not to be what you wanted. What a pain to order one and have it show up not in accordance with your expectations and specs. On the positive side, fantastic that you were your own advocate and made sure you knew more than the sales personnel.

All the best in pursuing the truck you want and need.
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Hiho - sorry the situation turned out like it did, but hopefully this thread was helpful and saved you some cash down the road. I had to show two sales guys where the yellow sticker on the truck was when they kept insisting the payload capacity was 2,060 (even though Ford website has a max of 2,020 for the configuration I was looking at). They were really clueless and just wanted to talk about LED lights in the bed....

I suspect the 4,700 lbs shipping weight is directly off of the Ford website for a stripped down truck and has no relation to the truck you almost bought.

I didn't end up buying the F150 I went to see. Just couldn't get there on the trade value. Plus, I just didn't have a good feeling about the 5.5ft bed when inspecting up close. We usually have a few bikes, kids' toys, firewood, etc in the back. I have been driving the F250 to work all week and think I can do it on a daily basis, just need to find somewhere else the park. The F150 drove like a car in comparison- really smooth.

Thanks everyone for your input!
Yes this thread has been very helpful for me, and over the years this forum has been a fabulous tool for me to learn. Thanks to all the good folks who are willing to help out

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