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Old 02-25-2015, 05:42 PM   #15
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How do those tunes work. Do they just reprogram the computer. Can you return to the original programming?

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How do those tunes work. Do they just reprogram the computer. Can you return to the original programming?

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Generally you can return to a factory-stock tune. One of the companies that specializes in Fords is Livernois and they sell you a pricey gadget ($600 these days, about the same as a quality Subaru tuner) that actually interfaces with the OBD-II system and lets you select your tune. The actual tunes for the original vehicle for which you purchase the interface are (I think) included, so you can store several on the box and choose between them. I'm pretty sure it'll require a restart between flashing different tunes, so you can't exactly switch on the fly but it's not too difficult.

They offer tunes for premium fuel, for towing, for economy, for drag racing, etc. The software controls all sorts of parameters like throttle response, transmission shift points, mixture, spark advance, boost on a forced-induction engine... You can make other changes to the engine and get tunes tailored for that, such as bigger injectors, etc. There are a lot more upgrades for a forced-induction engine to tune for, so you get more bang for your buck when squeezing a bit more than stock out of one.
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When the Eco-Boost V-6 came out a couple of years ago, one of the truck magazines had 2 rodeo pairs try both the Eco-Boost and the 5.0 in the F-150, both with 3.73 ratios. The 2 pairs hauled a 2 horse trailer with their rodeo gear for about a month. The 5.0 average over 20 mpg towing, while the Eco-Boost was in the 16 mpg range. I used to have that article and it was posted here, but I can't find it now.
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Can't find the article. Sounds legit.

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I found a Canadian Ford website that post photos of the payload stickers. I wish all dealers did this.

Hanna Ford Dealer - Barrie, Collingwood Owen Sound, Sudbury

Their online pricing is very aggressive vs the MSRP.

I checked a few models out and found the SuperCab XLTs have about 2000lbs of useable payload depending on the options. Most of the XLTs are 5.0L, 300a and 302a packages. None had the Max Trailer package but had the trailer tow package and no integrated trailer controller. None had the trailer mirrors.

Lariats and Platinums were around the 1600 to 1700lb range.

Since these are Canadian vehicles I'm not sure if the payload would be the same as an equally US built version.

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I wonder why the 302 and the ego booster only pulled the horse trailers for one month?
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I'm just about to pull the trigger on an F-150 Lariat Super Crew with the max payload. I'll probably go with the V-8, given that hp and torque are increased over last year. Interesting, in pick up trucks.com the Ford was the best in their 100 mile towing mileage test, although the GM trucks did better empty. I suppose the Ecoboost will be a little better in the Rockies. However, I view turbochargers and gasoline direct injection as somewhat problematic and turbo engines run rich when under a lot of load. The port injection in the 5 liter is tried and true stuff. Plus, when I drove the Ecoboost it had the non-liner throttle response typical of turbocharged engines. Not bad, but noticeable. And what red-blooded 'murican doesn't like the sound of a V-8? Ford must think so, because they have built in some electronic enhancement to try an make the V-6 Ecoboost sound like a V-8. Seriously!
Hopefully no excessive delays on ordering a max payload package, which BTW comes only with the 6.5 foot bed. I'd love to hear any dissenting views. Thought about the Ram 2500 with the 5.7 but it's hard to find a Laramie with the 60-20-60 seating (no console), which my wife wants in order to be able to move around(the 100 lb. dog gets the back). And I think it will definitely use more fuel, at least when not towing.
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Bruce's, what are you towing with now?

When you test drove a 5.0L did you find it noisy? Noisier than the EB?
Is it a requirement to use premium when towing with this engine?

With HD Payload you should get over 2000lb payload on the Lariat. What color are you going for? The 5.0L is also a little lighter than the 3.5L EB.

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Old 02-26-2015, 09:39 PM   #22
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I'm a newbie with an FC 27 that I bought last fall sitting on the dealer's lot. I only bought it when I did because of a good deal and reported discontinuance of that model with twins. The new classic 30 with twins hadn't been announced, and it probably cost 2x what I paid anyway. What I like about the 27 is a gas oven plus a small microwave. It's just the 2 of us plus a big dog, so we don't need a ton of space. And this is a '15 model with ducted a/c and two units. I don't find the V8 to be any noisier than the turbo V6, although I didn't spoil it up to 5000 rpm. Given that the GVWR of the trailer is 7600 lbs. I don't think I'm anywhere near taxing the power limits of either engine which, if memory serves, is over 10k lbs. The max payload package comes with the 3.73 rear regardless of engine choice. Both engines are specified for 87 octane fuel, unlike the 6.2 Chevy which is specified for 91 octane or the two Ram gas engines which are specified at 89, all per the owner's manuals. Not sure why the Ram 6.4 is advertised as a premium gas engine. Owner's manual says no benefit from using 91 octane gas in those engines. No doubt the biggest difference between the V-6 and the V-8 is the fatter torque curve in the V-6, which will result in lower engine rpm when pulling max load up a big grade. Since I'm not pulling anywhere near max load and am not interested in exceeding 60 mph on a sustained basis, I'm not sure this will make a difference to me. If I we're pulling a 10000 lb GVWR Classic 30, then I'd feel differently. But then I'd probably get a 3/4 ton diesel.
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Color? I'm thinking "blue jeans"with gray interior. Black is hot in the sun. I like the deeper red/burgundy, too. Your thoughts?
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My Tundra is white so I wouldn't want another white truck. I would like to complement the color of the tow vehicle with the Airstream. First choice is Ingot Silver, Magnetic and then Blue Jeans. DW likes Ruby Red. Our 4Runner was similar when we had the Casita but I don't want another red vehicle. She doesn't care for Blue Jeans much so I pretty much look at Ingot Silver most of the time. Magnetic is almost too dark.

I may have to check out Supercabs now that Ford has changed how the door opens wide. XLT Supercars can achieve the 2000b payload without HD Payload. However, most dealers will not order those for stock with 3.73 which I feel the 5.0L needs and they usually put on the FX4 package which I don't want.To get HD Payload with the Supercab you have to order the 8 foot bed to get the 157"wb.
We check out a 2014 Supercab but felt it was too cramped in the rear. Our Tundra Double Cab rear is spacious so we didn't feel the need to get the Tundra Crew and I wanted a 6.5' bed. There are separate doors vs Fords suicide doors. However, we don't anticipate hauling people in the rear so maybe the Supercab will work for us but it will probably mean special order for me also.

If I do this it won't be until after June.

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I wonder why the 302 and the ego booster only pulled the horse trailers for one month?
I don't care what anyone say's, that is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time!
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Uh, yeah. :roll eyes:

Can't find the article. Sounds legit.

This isn't the exact article with the rodeo cowboys towing, but it is a good article nonetheless.


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Thanks for sharing. Tough decision to make; 5.0L vs 3.5L EB when you are spending $40K+.

I've decided to shelve the idea of an F250. I've been checking these out on the commute to work and several examples in the parking lot and they are so darn big and ride so high. Running one of these without diesel is not taking full advantage and I don't need a 3000lb + payload.

I want an additional minimum of 500lbs payload over my Tundra (1465lbs) so if I want to add a camper shell (200lbs) and throw a canoe on top (100lbs) I've got some spare payload to play with for extended travels. Other addtions may be a 2000w generator (50lbs), portable solar (50lbs), pancake compressor (40lbs) and some extra tools (50lbs), figure 500lbs needed for discretionary payload over the essential payload of my AS tongue and hitch weight, passengers, camp chairs, folding table, BBQ equipment and ice chest so if HD Payload can give me about 2200lbs that would be ideal.

Can the 5.0L provide me the same or better experience towing as my Tundra 5.7L power and mpg?

I figure the 3.5L EB will pull at higher altitude better than the 5.0L but even the Ike Gauntlet grade is only 7 miles and at the end of each fuel leg I'll be more pleased to spend less money on gas than to have gotten up the grade 1 minute sooner.

According to the 2015 F15O owners manual Ford recommends best performance for the 2.7 and 3.5 EB to use premium fuel grade. It also mentions for these engines to not use fuel below 87.
To provide improved performance, we
recommend premium fuel for severe duty
usage, such as trailer tow.

We recommend regular unleaded gasoline
with a pump (R+M)/2 octane rating of 87.
Some stations offer fuels posted as regular
with an octane rating below 87, particularly
in high altitude areas. We do not
recommend fuels with an octane rating
below 87.

I don't see these limitations for the 5.0L in the owners manual.

Since Ford is not taking orders, so I've read, for HD Payload that gives me time to ponder my decision.

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You can also add the Firestone Air Bag system to keep your tail from dragging like this:
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