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Old 08-27-2015, 06:17 PM   #29
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Alright, to be fair in this analysis I will mention some of my notes and findings when I shopped. The picture of the F150 is a Platinum model, the different trim lines have different grilles. I shopped so carefully I know the trim levels by the grilles. XLT has brackets, Lariat has lines, King Ranch bronze insert, Platinum satin finish chrome. You cannot really pick something like that being critical as there are so many options.

I will say this about aesthetics, I look around as a picky person at rubber trim, edges, etc. I noticed big differences. The Ford had quality rubber trim around the doors and it was attached at points and looked like a single piece. Three of the Rams I looked at had rubber pieces that were not attached with openings and the "weld" spots on the rubber were rough and unfinished. While the interior of the Laramie was nice, the other two were not so great. Understand too that this observation was not just for the diesel model. The Laramie was a diesel, while the other two were hemi models. I know this is subjective but rubber sticking out along the doors bothers me. I know that final judgement of such things is personal but with the previous posts I had to speak up.

With the rebates, etc, I find that there is little difference in the trucks. My MSRP sticker was scary high, much higher than the RAMS I looked at though the Diesel Laramie was about the same after discounts were considered. In this you have to just pick the one you would like. All things considered, I voted for the F150 over the big RAM. I was told for my load I would be best getting the 3.92 axle 5.7 liter hemi. Now, when comparing that to the Ford I was looking at 13mpg city versus 17mpg EPA figures. As far as my personal aesthetics go, I liked the look of the RAM and the Ford but I found the fit and finish of the Tundra and Ford most the same, followed by Chevy and then RAM. Any who, pick one.
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Old 08-27-2015, 08:14 PM   #30
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I have had 4 Airstreams, each bigger than the one before. The ECO Diesel has a lower towing capacity so if you decide to buy a 28' in the future you would be at the limit of the diesel.
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Old 09-01-2015, 10:34 AM   #31
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Payload of the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel is the reason I crossed it off my list. I eventually went with a Ram 2500 CC CTD 4x4. I only got the Big Horn version and its payload is only 2089 but I was coming from a Tundra DC 2x4 with only 1465lbs. I considered an F150 but none of them around me had the combination of the trailer tow mirrors, the extended tank and 6' bed, which for me was a deal breaker. There are pros and cons about all these trucks. You just have to figure out what is important and hopefully you make the right decision.

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Old 09-01-2015, 12:16 PM   #32
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I'd go with the F150. In a crew cab at the higher trim levels, the Ram is just short on payload. The reliability of this Diesel engine in this service is unknown and, frankly, even empty, it's down on power. The Ecoboost engine has been in service in both trucks and cars since 2011 and, after some initial problems with the inter cooler has established a good reputation. It has a flat, diesel-like torque curve, which makes it great for towing. It is easy to get over-excited about fuel economy numbers until you "do the math" and see how many $$ you're saving per year, after accounting for the price difference of the fuels.
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Old 09-02-2015, 08:06 AM   #33
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You best check the price' s of the fuels, diesel has gone way down some places it is cheaper than reg gas....
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Traditionally, diesel has been more expensive and you should factor in the worse case scenario like last winter when diesel was $1/g higher. If you intend to use it as a daily driver that can hurt. My Ram 2500 CTD is a mostly a driveway queen. Bought it now for future extensive travels out west and to pay it off while still working before I switch to Social Security.

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Old 09-03-2015, 09:02 AM   #35
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When I was a kid, diesel was about half the cost of gasoline. I still remember $0.08 per gallon gas with a windshield clean and check the oil. $2.00 filled a tank.....
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Old 09-04-2015, 10:14 AM   #36
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In most areas the diesel is cheaper than gas and still going down matching the crude oil prices.In other posts the ecoboast ford is traded off as it didn't do what the new owner expected while towing his as. Diesel still produces the best power, you don't any of the big gas trucks on the road like you used to, they weren't cost effective...
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In most areas the diesel is cheaper than gas and still going down matching the crude oil prices.In other posts the ecoboast ford is traded off as it didn't do what the new owner expected while towing his as. Diesel still produces the best power, you don't any of the big gas trucks on the road like you used to, they weren't cost effective...
Let's not assume facts in evidence while trying to present only one side of the argument. While the Ecoboost and other capable half-tons are not all things to all people, neither are HD diesel pickups. The Ecoboost serves many Airstreamers quite well whom I know personally and camp with regularly, towing Airstreams from tiny to large in flatlands and mountains.
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Love our Ecodiesel

OK, lots of talk, but how does it work. Our 2015 ecodiesel has 3.92 axle ratio, gets 27-29 empty on hwy, 22-23 around town. Pulling our 25' fc it is perfect. Using the tow/haul mode it gets 15-17 on the highway, drops to 13-15 in the mountains. We live in Western Wash and do lots of mountain driving over the Cascades and south over Siskius of Ore/Cal. Could not be happier.
I have been a marine diesel mechanic for 30 years and am very picky about engine design and performance. Ecodiesel works very well with 25' AS. M
Measure the tongue weight, transfer weight as reqd, set up your WD hitch properly. Then all is good!
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If you had F250 diesel you could do 85 uphill. In many respects speed is the difference.
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I do believe that ecodiesel will be a winner.
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OK, lots of talk, but how does it work. Our 2015 ecodiesel has 3.92 axle ratio, gets 27-29 empty on hwy, 22-23 around town. Pulling our 25' fc it is perfect. Using the tow/haul mode it gets 15-17 on the highway, drops to 13-15 in the mountains. We live in Western Wash and do lots of mountain driving over the Cascades and south over Siskius of Ore/Cal. Could not be happier.
It probably makes sense to get the 3.92 for mountains. The dealer talked to me about the ecodiesel because frankly, when I was at the Ram dealer, that was the only one I was truly interested in. He said not a good option for me. We talked about the 3.92 but it did not increase payload and the higher RPM 3.92 stole mpg- he told me about 3 mpg. I found this too:

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As for my '15 F150, I towed yesterday for the first time, just around town and on the highway. It was amazingly different from my previous truck. The ecoboost 3.5 has twice the torque of my old truck at 2500rpm so there is just no comparison. You mentioned people trading in their ecoboosts because they did not do what they promised. I can tell you that there is a huge difference in power. It was as if the trailer was not there. The only indicator was the occasional weight porpoise motion on the highway. As far as mileage is concerned, my two months of driving has shown that it does get the city mileage advertised. I do not know about towing-yet. Frankly, I do not expect any different from 12mpg - perhaps 13mpg as that seems to be the magic number for towing no matter what but I do expect lots more power on tap and a different tow experience. I haven't driven on the highway enough without towing to know the accuracy of the advertised mpg figures. In my area diesel is more expensive and I already figured that the DEF is equivalent to the cost of an extra tank of fuel per year. Diesels in this class of vehicle do not produce the best power tjdonahoe.

What I find interesting is that on the Ecoboost thread, people are looking for a payload of 2000# plus. Here on the RAM versus Ecoboost thread 1300# is ok as long as it is a diesel. DBX, you are correct, facts.
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