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Old 08-26-2015, 03:00 PM   #15
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Hi I have been towing for a long time and have had different Airstreams of different weights what I did was to buy bigger if the 23 is your last trailer that you will ever own than ok go for the better mpg,but all trucks use fuel when you tow thats it no matter how good when not towing.I bought a ford F350 i carry everything i need plus a spare kitchen sink and put my foot to her mpg always in the 12s so if you tow your going to burn fuel so just have fun and I would go bigger you will be happy.ps the Dodge diesel is a small engine used in Italy in small vans and cars its not the small cummings its for high mpg not towing Happy trails
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Old 08-26-2015, 03:26 PM   #16
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Hi someone said that they bought their new Dodge diesel big horn for 33k would like to know what dealer that was i mean thats a great price in California they are more like 50k with 4by4 and leather not much more,
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I have a 15 Ecodiesel Limited 4x4 3.92 gears, i avatage 25mpg around town and country, my best has been 27.7 loaded with funiture on a trip to Fort Worth thru the Texas Hill country with 75 mph speed limits. My last trip to the coast pulling my 19' Bambi was 17 going south into the wind and 18 going with the wind headed north. the truck has power to spare pulling the Bambi as it is only 4500 loaded. A good friend just purchased the 3.7l Ford Ecoboost and has been disappointed with his fuel milage. Some people will say that diesel prices are higher than gas, the ecoboost reguires premium gas when pulling a trailer.
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:52 PM   #18
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I have a 15 Ecodiesel Limited 4x4 3.92 gears, i avatage 25mpg around town and country, my best has been 27.7 loaded with funiture on a trip to Fort Worth thru the Texas Hill country with 75 mph speed limits. My last trip to the coast pulling my 19' Bambi was 17 going south into the wind and 18 going with the wind headed north. the truck has power to spare pulling the Bambi as it is only 4500 loaded. A good friend just purchased the 3.7l Ford Ecoboost and has been disappointed with his fuel milage. Some people will say that diesel prices are higher than gas, the ecoboost reguires premium gas when pulling a trailer.
Perhaps if your friend bought the 3.5L Ecoboost that's actually available for sale it wouldn't be so bad. The EB does not REQUIRE premium while towing, but will produce more power under load with premium than it will with regular.

The Ecoboost doesn't return little-diesel mileage, but it's competitive with the modern big-diesel mileage when towing, and better when not towing. It's not going to touch the MPG of the Ecodiesel, but MPG is not the whole picture of most vehicles. If you're towing 50% of the time or more, or do a LOT of miles in a year the Ecodiesel probably pays off pretty easily. If not, it comes down to preference. As I mentioned earlier, with current incentives a '15 F150 off the lot is likely to be significantly cheaper up front than an Ecodiesel. Big savings and no interest will buy a lot of unleaded.
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:59 PM   #19
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That about says it all on fuel economy!
What is doesn't say is the extra cost to own a diesel engine; more maintenance costs and if you live in the north country, a much different winter expense than a gas rig. The towing ability in the mountains is way ahead on the F-150 over the Eco-diesel Ram, not even close. I'd givce the Ram Eco-diesel a couple of years to see if it chokes before I'd put out the extra money for one.
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The issue with towing any Airstream is the real payload available in a proposed tow vehicle when the tow vehicle is loaded for camping with passengers and before attaching the trailer. Since the Airstream literature tongue weight is historically understated, one needs to do much pencil and paper work to be sure that all the payload of both tow vehicle and trailer fits with the design design specs.

The literature tongue weight of our 25FB was 833 pounds, but the reality after the Hensley hitch was installed along with the dealer installed street and rear awnings and a 155 watt solar panel was 1,150 pounds. This was basically empty on the dealers lot.
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Just in case y'all forgot what the OP asked-
"I'd enjoy reading everyone's idea/opinions about which of these two vehicles or another one that we haven't discovered yet is the way to go."

Ideas and opinions about which of these two vehicles, or another one that we haven't discovered yet, is the way to go.

So, instead of talking smack about the truck you don't recommend, how about talking up the truck you do recommend?
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The OP did not mention family size, pets or other load variables to give a clue to the non trailer weight that must also be considered for the 23 series. Our 23D had about a 1,239 payload before propane and fresh water and water in the water heater on the dealer lot. Those three items use around 416 pounds of the payload so the net railer payload is around 823 pounds before any modifications.

The 720 pound tongue weight was closer to 850 pounds with the hitch installed and full tanks.

So the trade off between the Ram and the Ford is one gets better mileage but with a lower payload. The tow vehicle payload could most likely control the selection when all the weight variables are considered.
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The OP did not mention family size, pets or other load variables to give a clue to the non trailer weight that must also be considered for the 23 series. Our 23D had about a 1,239 payload before propane and fresh water and water in the water heater on the dealer lot. Those three items use around 416 pounds of the payload so the net railer payload is around 823 pounds before any modifications.

The 720 pound tongue weight was closer to 850 pounds with the hitch installed and full tanks.

So the trade off between the Ram and the Ford is one gets better mileage but with a lower payload. The tow vehicle payload could most likely control the selection when all the weight variables are considered.
All truths.

My comment above is mostly directed towards the guys who drive a Ford and only have negative things to say about the RAM and the RAM guys who only have negative things to say about the Ford.

You know, this is much like a political discussion. Tell me how great your candidate is, not how bad mine is.
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Check the payload.

Hi, I have Ford in my blood so naturally I bought a Ford Ecoboost and couldn't be happier. You would be happy with either one, Ford or Dodge, but the main thing you need to look for is the yellow payload sticker in the door jamb. Some versions of both of these trucks have a pitifully low payload.

Note: do not go by the payload specs in the sales brochure, Only the yellow sticker on the actual truck matters.
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If it were me I would go with the dodge, I sure like my 6.7 in the 2500...
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What is doesn't say is the extra cost to own a diesel engine; more maintenance costs and if you live in the north country, a much different winter expense than a gas rig. The towing ability in the mountains is way ahead on the F-150 over the Eco-diesel Ram, not even close. I'd givce the Ram Eco-diesel a couple of years to see if it chokes before I'd put out the extra money for one.
You should check out VM Motori , they have been building engines since 1947, so this engine is nothing new, it is also being used in some Cadillac 's and all over the world, empty they are saying 27mpg........
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Hmmm...needs more grilles and openings and creases and squares and plastic chrome...
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Hmmm...needs more grilles and openings and creases and squares and plastic chrome...
The OP didn't list aethetics as something about which he needed help.
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