Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 07-01-2014, 06:48 AM   #15
Rivet Master
switz's Avatar

2014 30' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction , Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,235
Images: 8
However, the numbers that are checked when stopped by DOT will be the axle ratings and tire ratings.

Our 2012 Ram 2500HD diesel has a 5,500 pound rated front axle and a 6,010 pound rated rear axle. The original equipment Michelin Load E 17" LT tires are rated 5,500 pound at 60psi and 6,010 at 70 psi. I run them at 80 psi which means their carrying capacity exceeds the axle rating.

My springs were all removed for air bags. The rear air bags are rated 10,000 pounds, so the weak link in the rear suspension is the 6,010 pound axle rating.

The door label of 9,600 pounds GVW is meaningless to me as the legal capacity per DOT if stopped would be 11,510 pounds.

I tow at 10,600 pounds on the truck when crossing the scales.

WBCCI Life Member 5123, AIR 70341, 4CU, WD9EMC

TV - 2012 Dodge 2500 4x4 Cummins HO, automatic, Centramatics, Kelderman level ride airbag suspension, bed shell

2014 31' Classic model 30 twin beds, 50 amp service, 900 watt solar system, Centramatics, Dill TPMS, disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
switz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2014, 08:32 PM   #16
Rivet Master

1986 31' Sovereign
Miami , Florida
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,365
Blog Entries: 13
Just curious. Has anyone ever been stopped by any official anywhere in the States and had their trailer weighed and the matched up against their "official" numbers?

We have half-timed for 7 years. Traveled over 50000 miles in tow and no one has ever given us a second glance...

Old (usually dirty) Nissan Titan
Old (enhanced with "male pattern baldness") Sovereign
Young, lovely bride
Goofy dog, dismissive cat
n2916s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2014, 08:47 PM   #17
Rivet Master
Tincampers's Avatar

2014 25' Flying Cloud
Box Elder , South Dakota
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,070
Not a truck and trailer, but a pickup truck that was overloaded.
Tincampers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2014, 07:14 AM   #18
Rivet Master
TouringDan's Avatar
1966 24' Tradewind
1995 34' Excella
Lynchburg , Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,134
Originally Posted by mikekey View Post
I'm only arguing this for the sake of arguing it, but...

That is HALF correct, you can increase the payload thru reduction but you can't increase payload thru GVW. I think you are thinking about the LEGALITY, which is what I think most people mean when they say you CANNOT.

Legally when a car is built it's stamped with a payload rating that is based on it's Curb Weight minus it's GVW. This GVW has been approved by DOT.

For example, all Dodge Ram 1500's have a GVW of 6800lbs. But each has a different payload based on options. One with cloth seats has a different payload from a vehicle with leather seats.

If your leather seats weight 300lbs and the cloth weight 180lbs and you switch, you've technically just increased payload by 120lbs.

So YES, you CAN increase payload, but you CANNOT exceed the GVW rating as that is what has been DOT approved for that vehicle. You CANNOT add a modification and increase payload. So YES, you're right that I cannot add springs and add 500lbs of payload because that would mean the GVW is now 7300lbs. Doesn't work that way.

So yes, legally if I rip out the interior of my truck it'd get lighter and I could fill that with cargo. Would you actually do that? Probably not, that's silly.

I suggested springs with an increased spring rate over stock that actually can carry more. Doesn't mean payload is increased, just it's ability to handle the weight.

Wanted to clarify that.

On another note of weight reduction, while I don't think most here would do it, when we built our overland rig, I removed the rear seats and the rear carpeting and sound deadening material. The weight was about 220lbs. It was nice because it offset the weight of our camping gear nicely.

I wouldn't do this to my Tow Vehicle, but you get the point.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I learned something today! Your detailed explanation is why I consider payload to be a difficult spec to follow. You can't measure it. What you can measure is the gross vehicle weight of the truck and how this compares to the truck GVWR.


The weak link for me and for most with a 1/2 ton tv is the truck gvwr and the truck rawr (rear axle weight rating). I am just under both specs by about 200 - 300 lbs.

TouringDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2014, 07:20 AM   #19
Full Time Adventurer
BoldAdventure's Avatar
2007 27' International CCD FB
Nomadic , USA
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,694
Switz nailed it, I totally forgot about mentioning the Axles.

Originally Posted by n2916s View Post
Just curious. Has anyone ever been stopped by any official anywhere in the States and had their trailer weighed and the matched up against their "official" numbers?

We have half-timed for 7 years. Traveled over 50000 miles in tow and no one has ever given us a second glance...
I would think folks with commercial plates would have to worry the most, and folks who make it obvious to a state trooper or local police officer that their vehicle may pose a danger to other motorist.

Like this clown:

Family of 4 living, working & exploring the USA in our Airstream.
BoldAdventure is offline   Reply With Quote

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2014 Ram 1500 Eco Diesel RamblinManGa Tow Vehicles 2 02-11-2014 10:43 PM
2014 Ram 2500 BAB Tow Vehicles 40 10-26-2013 09:32 AM
First Tow - 2014 Ram 2500 CC 4x4 Laramie w/Cummins BAB Tow Vehicles 20 10-24-2013 06:20 PM
It's a 2013 30' Classic and Ram 2012 Longhorn Freedomrider Our Community 28 03-18-2013 06:50 AM
M/S newest O/S: LongHorn 53flyingcloud Our Community 0 12-12-2002 01:35 PM

Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities

Copyright 2002-2015 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:03 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.