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Old 05-23-2013, 08:30 PM   #1
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2014 Dodge tdiesel 1500 pu

Any tidbits of info out the on the upcoming diesel 1500 PU?? I here it is a Italian V-6, coming out this fall to a showroom near you....
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Same diesel as what is going into the 2014 Grand Cherokee's with 420lbs torque and 240 horses with an 8-speed tranny at 25mpg.

Like Fords EcoBoost and Chevy's new 2014 V8 (1 mpg better than EcoBoost in mileage) or of course the Ram 1500's awesome 5.7 Hemi (but only 21 mpg) - all great engines to tow any airstream but your still limited by your max payload....
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I've been waiting to hear too. I'm wondering what the payload capacity will be. If it's comparable to the 2013 Ram 1500 models it will be a little light if I continue carrying all my stuff. I guess I could leave my toolbox and generator at home or move them to my trailer and make it work.

I was looking at the Ram website tonight and saw that the V6 gasoline engine with the 8 speed automatic is already available. If I remember correctly, payload was around 1,600 lbs. Anyone had any experiences towing with this setup?
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There are a number of posts on the Jeep forum regarding the delays on the diesel. Last word was that it has yet to receive EPA certification and that the third quarter is a realistic release date. The price is pegged at $4,000 more than the V-6. I opted for a 2013 Hemi with the tow package and a 7200# towing capacity. Drove it over Wolf Creek Pass to Colorado Springs Tuesday and got 20 MPG. On the return trip pulling a 20' car hauler, mileage was 17 MPG.
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Same diesel as what is going into the 2014 Grand Cherokee's with 420lbs torque and 240 horses with an 8-speed tranny at 25mpg.

Like Fords EcoBoost and Chevy's new 2014 V8 (1 mpg better than EcoBoost in mileage) or of course the Ram 1500's awesome 5.7 Hemi (but only 21 mpg) - all great engines to tow any airstream but your still limited by your max payload....
You just love that payload FUD. If you order the right F150 it has plenty of payload. Ram is going to have to do something different to get much payload on the 1500, they don't have anything close to the F150's ratings in the '13 trucks.

For towing, I think either the VM Motori diesel in the Ram or the Ecoboost in the F150 will still have a huge edge over the NA V8 in the Chevy/GMC trucks, because they have way more torque in the lower RPM ranges, which translates to relaxed drivability when towing. It sounds like the new 5.3 is going to be a huge (much-needed) improvement, but you'll still have to put the spurs to it to make it tow.
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Like I said, that Hemi 5.7 is a great motor - had one in my 2009 Grand Cherokee and have another (6.4) in a 2014 Grand Cherokee SRT.

Interesting fact - that V8 Hemi when towing gets better fuel mileage than a V6 with Turbo - only a V6 diesel will get similar torque and better mpg than that Hemi...

The new V8 2014 Chevy will get better mpg than the EcoBoost - but I doubt it will have the same torque band as the EcoBoost and they have yet to mention its HP or torque numbers....
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There are a number of posts on the Jeep forum regarding the delays on the diesel. Last word was that it has yet to receive EPA certification and that the third quarter is a realistic release date. The price is pegged at $4,000 more than the V-6. I opted for a 2013 Hemi with the tow package and a 7200# towing capacity. Drove it over Wolf Creek Pass to Colorado Springs Tuesday and got 20 MPG. On the return trip pulling a 20' car hauler, mileage was 17 MPG.
Was it an EMPTY 20' car hauler? Or a flatbed hauler with insignificant aero drag? 17 towing a 20' trailer would be a good number on level ground, much less through a mountain pass!
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Maybe a 2013 Ram 2500 with the 5.7L would make a great TV for the heavier Streams. Sounds like the 5.7L is a fine motor.

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You just love that payload FUD. If you order the right F150 it has plenty of payload. Ram is going to have to do something different to get much payload on the 1500, they don't have anything close to the F150's ratings in the '13 trucks.

For towing, I think either the VM Motori diesel in the Ram or the Ecoboost in the F150 will still have a huge edge over the NA V8 in the Chevy/GMC trucks, because they have way more torque in the lower RPM ranges, which translates to relaxed drivability when towing. It sounds like the new 5.3 is going to be a huge (much-needed) improvement, but you'll still have to put the spurs to it to make it tow.

I think when you see the torque curve of the 5.3, you will have to rethink you opinion. I have seen the charts.....just sayin'...wait and see, and feel.
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I think when you see the torque curve of the 5.3, you will have to rethink you opinion. I have seen the charts.....just sayin'...wait and see, and feel.
I'll be interested to see... I've seen some numbers but no graphs. Where are the graphs published? Or did you see still-proprietary sources? They're quoting the peak at 4100 rpm and I haven't seen any claims about how much of that is available down low.
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Was it an EMPTY 20' car hauler? Or a flatbed hauler with insignificant aero drag? 17 towing a 20' trailer would be a good number on level ground, much less through a mountain pass!
Empty flatbed tilt loader. Torque on the Hemi is 5 lb ft more than the '12 Silverado 2500HD 6.0 gasser I traded in!
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Empty flatbed tilt loader. Torque on the Hemi is 5 lb ft more than the '12 Silverado 2500HD 6.0 gasser I traded in!
Don't confuse the current 4.3, 5.3, 6.2 with the soon to be released 2014 models. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME ENGINES.....not even related. They share virtually no parts with the current engines. I wish GM had called the new ones 4.4, 5.4 and 6.3l just to avoid the confusion.
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I think when you see the torque curve of the 5.3, you will have to rethink you opinion. I have seen the charts.....just sayin'...wait and see, and feel.

Retraction! Base engine to base engine (v8s) vs Ford, it appears GM wins to 5.0 and is a bit better than 5.4l.

Premium upcharge engine, (ecoboost) will still win against 5.3l, BUT the numbers, including real world mileage figures for the premium 6.2 L won't be out for some time yet.
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