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Old 07-20-2015, 09:54 AM   #1
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2014 30' FC - Go with 2015 F250 or F350?

This issue has been touched on in some recent threads, but sort of tangentially. I'm looking to move from my F-150 to a 3/4 or 1 ton for my 2014 30' FC (8,800# GVWR) as the F-150 is nearly maxed out.

The truck will not be heavily loaded but I've read a lot of reports of F-250's sagging and needing airbags. I'd rather not mess with those and am considering going to an F-350 instead if the ride isn't going to punish me and my trailer.

I'm looking at the 6.2 gasser in XLT trim to the extent that makes a difference.

So should I skip right to the F-350? Anyone with actual experience with these recent models? I am only looking at 2015's because of the discounts being offered now.

Thank you.

(and not to make this a hitch issue, but I'll probably be going with an Equal-i-zer hitch with 1,000# bars)
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Old 07-20-2015, 12:00 PM   #2
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Hey Scott,

Can't say much for the Fords- but I just pulled a 2002 Classic 31' from Scottsdale to LA (about 400mi) with a 2015 Dodge Ram 2500 - 6.7L Cummins Diesel - crew cab, full bed - Automatic, 4wd. It has a really basic distributor hitch as well.

It pulled like a dream. I didn't feel any sway and got the brake controller dialed in immediately (Gain 6, went to 6.5 once it warmed up -- trailer has upgraded hydraulic discs).

It also had amazing fuel economy. I got 19.9mpg going LA > Scottsdale, unloaded, avg 75mph, was up to 90 at times (there is a lot of descent) - but even with the climb out of the valley, loaded up with the trailer, back Scottsdale > LA - I averaged 13.6mpg (11.8 avg on the climbs and 15.7 avg on the flats).

Now either the older trailers were a bit underrated or just not built as robustly (researching this now) but my GVWR on the 02' is only 8300# - and I clocked in my actual weight for the haul around 8050# on the scales (I have a truck scale nearby and wanted to get a baseline before I started working on it). (The total of truck + trailer, with driver and passenger was about 16,080# (driver/pass = approx 305# and prob about 80# in the bed))

In my newbie opinion (everyone has one, right?) unless you need the extra payload capacity in the bed or really want to load down the trailer, - I see the unit base weight on the 2015 30' FC is 6,382# so I think the 2500 / 250 would work for you.

One hint, just last month (June), Enterprise decided to recognize towing with their commercial fleet (before it was a "you can't tow with this, but what you do when you roll off the lot isn't my business" deal) - so now for $69.99 a day (+$20 towing surcharge) you could try hauling with a number of configs before you commit to buy.
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Also- return trip avg speed was 60-65mph
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Old 07-20-2015, 12:52 PM   #4
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I have had several discussions about this and elected to with the F250. I was at the International Rally and took an informal survey and the bulk of the TV with 30' trailers was the F250 Lariat model. Most said that the F350 would be over kill. The only real difference between the 250 and 350 is that the F350 has one more leaf spring which ads to payload capacity. Even with the diesel engine I am guessing that the Lariat will have about 2500lbs. of payload. Lesser models with the diesel will have more payload. i.e. the XLT.
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Check out this Canadian dealership that posts photos of payload stickers on the Ford trucks they sell. This example is of an XLT F250 6.7. 1922lbs of payload. Their Plantinums and Lariats are 1772lb and 1780lbs of payload. The gas versions have more payload.

New 2015 Ford F-250 CREW CAB XLT *903A* S.E.P. 6.7L DIESEL 4X4 6 3/4Ft

This is an example of a 2015 F150 Supercab 3.5L EB. 2018 lbs of payload

http://www.hannafords.ca/used/Ford/2...73ab3ce259.htm

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Old 07-20-2015, 03:00 PM   #6
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this f350 is my first 1 ton and my only question is why i waited so long to move from the 3/4 to the 1 ton. the ride is stiff but that is what you might expect. uncomfortable? not in the least and if your WD hitch is set up properly, you tow is not going to get 'beatup.' fords above all others are quiet inside, so much so its hard to believe the differences from the past few model years. in many ways, it overkill for us, but so what, it is a very comfortable ride and i don't worry about payload at all. only downside to the crew cab is the small fuel tank. i opted to replace the 26g with a 50g, a worthy upgrade to consider particularly in the PNW.

the 6.7 diesel is a gem and certainly is in the same category as the iconic 7.3 from the past. Ford created a real winner with this truck.

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I have had several discussions about this and elected to with the F250. I was at the International Rally and took an informal survey and the bulk of the TV with 30' trailers was the F250 Lariat model. Most said that the F350 would be over kill. The only real difference between the 250 and 350 is that the F350 has one more leaf spring which ads to payload capacity. Even with the diesel engine I am guessing that the Lariat will have about 2500lbs. of payload. Lesser models with the diesel will have more payload. i.e. the XLT.
Having towed with both, I agree that F250 is all you need to easily tow a 30' unless you need CARGO capacity. My F350 suspension was too stiff for my 27' Flying Cloud and along with too strong equalizer bars caused some compression fractures in the shell in the weak area at the bottom corners of the front outside compartment door. My 2011 F250 with 600# bars is way easier on the AS and the ride is a lot better too.
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Old 07-20-2015, 11:07 PM   #9
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^^^^ Funny stuff and pretty much encapsulates what reading here this last month or so has instilled in me. It's crazy, truly. I guess 40 years ago folks hauling Airstreams with 150-200 HP trucks had to decide what side of the Rockies they wanted to travel in. The elite must have had east coast and west coast rigs. I'm waiting on someone to just take the wheels off their Airstream and mount it to a semi trucks flatbed. Just skip all the 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton mess altogether. Hah.





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fords above all others are quiet inside, so much so its hard to believe...


Yep. I test drove a 2015 F-350 XL last week and couldn't believe how powerful and quiet it was. Sounded like what I would hear in my wife's Maxima. But felt like a rocket ship taking off. Amazing.

I can better appreciate why folks owning the 6.7 diesel are bragging about it. It's a monster. I'm just trigger shy after reading so many online accounts of faulty injectors and failed high pressure fuel pumps.

Some said Ford wouldn't honor the warranty and I read at least half dozen reports of $5-8k repair bills. It's scary for a guy like me who can barely afford the truck. Been further investigating the 6.2 L gas F-350 and other trucks.

Anyway you go, all trucks and cars have some propensity for failure. Heck, I can't even get a coffee pot to keep warm for the selected three hours. Hah. And it's worth mentioning, not all you read on the net is legit. I'm just reporting what I've read. No experience or first hand accounts. But it scares the new guy like me.


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Thanks all. I find it telling that I specifically asked about 250 vs. 350 and that I was going with the 6.2, yet most comments are pushing toward the diesel! I know the diesel is more than capable, but I just don't know if it's worth the added cost and perceived hassle.

And one weird thing I've noticed, but it seems truck owners talk about the added costs of diesels, fuel quality, etc, etc, when in the meantime Mercedes, VW, and other brands have been selling diesels for decades. I don't see those folks having these issues. So maybe it's all just "over reported" by truck owners? We are all buying the same fuel!
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Old 07-21-2015, 06:55 AM   #11
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I like my Dodge/Cummins 2500...crew cab long bed. But, I also have towed about 10,000 miles on my 2015 Serenity 30 RB, another 7500 miles before the end of the year. Also, I pull across mountain passes of greater than 10,000 feet, the one area gasoline engines seem to suffer unless turbocharged.

Maintenance on my diesel...about $100 per 7500 miles average for oil changes. Fuel is costing $0.18 - 0.24 per mile depending on wind and route.

The ease of towing, greater weight of the diesel, sitting up high in 4 x 4, all make it "worth it" IMO. I have 90,000 miles on my truck and have not had any problems, especially now that the dealer no longer touches it.

When hitched to truck, my AS weighs about 7300 lbs ready for towing.

Oh, one other thing, with diesel, I have added a 60 gallon auxiliary tank in the bed, allows easily 1,000 miles of towing between fill ups. And, this means I can go to an area where fuel is lowest price. Maybe saves a bit of time, not stopping for fuel.

I have towed with a gas engined Porsche Cayenne Turbo...did not like filling up every 200 miles.. Whether 3/4 ton or 1 ton, unless you get the dual wheels, which makes driving around town pure he.., there is no real difference. The dually would be very slightly more stable, but totally unnecessary, IMO

The issue of additional cost... up to you....
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Old 07-21-2015, 08:43 AM   #12
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Check out this Canadian dealership that posts photos of payload stickers on the Ford trucks they sell. This example is of an XLT F250 6.7. 1922lbs of payload. Their Plantinums and Lariats are 1772lb and 1780lbs of payload. The gas versions have more payload.

New 2015 Ford F-250 CREW CAB XLT *903A* S.E.P. 6.7L DIESEL 4X4 6 3/4Ft

This is an example of a 2015 F150 Supercab 3.5L EB. 2018 lbs of payload

2015 Ford F-150 *NEW*SUPERCAB XLT*CHROME*300A*4X4 3.5L V6 ECOBOOST For Sale | Collingwood ON

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Those diesel payloads seem low. I see the Canadian truck has a 9,900 lb GVWR whereas the US seem to all have 10,000 lb. I know it's only 100 lbs but I wonder if there are other changes. I have 1700# payload with my F-150 now. Don't really want to be that limited.

US F-350's have 11,300 payload package.

I will have to look closely at an F-250 I see, particularly if diesel.
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It would be interesting to see the payload stickers of F250 6.7L Lariats, GM 2500 Duramaxes. When I was thinking of replacing my Tundra 6 months ago the first thing I looked at was the payload sticker but I was only looking at 1/2 Tons

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You will be pleasantly surprised with the performance and low maintenance of the 6.2 V-8 gas engine on the Ford F-250/350. For the added $8500 extra for the diesel engine and added maintenance costs, you will go a long time before you will spend that money on any extra mpg that a diesel will give you.

The question is whether to get an F-250 or F-350. In my opinion you will be fine with an F-250. I would recommend you get the 4.30 rear end if possible over the 3.73. Although you won't have any towing problems with the 3.73 either. Gas mileage between them is minor. If you have time, you can order one just the way you like it, that's what I did. I put my order in on a 2008 in August of 2007 and received mine in September. I would buy the F-250 if it was me, but if you are really worried about weight, go with an F-350.
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