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Old 07-22-2015, 04:46 AM   #29
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I own a 30' FC and pull with a 2013 GMC 2500HD diesel. Use a Reese dual cam hitch--all good. Upgraded to 16' tires Mitchlins , a bit heavy on 1200 bars.
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Old 07-22-2015, 10:12 AM   #30
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I had a 2010 F250 and it was a great drive from Portland Or to SD then to Fl. Traded it for a 2010 F150 because of the cost of diesel fuel. The F150 seems to be under powerd vs the 250. Hard to pull the AS over 55 mph. 70 was ez with 250. But since giving up full timing could not afford cost of diesel for just around town and once in a while AS trips.
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1.The 6.7 diesel will cost much less to own than a 6.2 gas due to resale value.
I thought that too but I'm starting to think it's a myth. I just ran a test through KBB.com for a 2012 F250 with typical options I would want. The only differences I put was changing the engine for the two prices. The results are:

Private sale - $28,400 vs. $33,700
Dealer - $30,800 vs. $36,200
Dealer certified - $33,400 vs. $38,700

So the diesel is generating about $6000 more. I saw similar differences when I ran the test for 2014 cars.

I then went to 2007 trucks and ran the "test" with the 6.0 diesel vs. the V10 gasser. The prices were roughly $13,900 vs. $18,500. So only $5,000 difference (granted the 6.0 is not known to be reliable).

These numbers should be pretty accurate, at least relative to each other.
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Old 07-22-2015, 11:05 AM   #32
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I guess everyone on this thread is a Ford guy. FWIW, in my 10-month long shopping effort to get a TV for my new FC 27, I drove the Chevy and Ram 3/4 tons, gas and diesel. (The Ford was off the list because folding up the back seats did not leave an unobstructed floor for my 100 lb. dog.) Both diesels felt plenty strong, with some turbo lag from the Chevy. The Chevy 6.0 gas felt underpowered, even empty. The Ram 6.4 gas felt strong and would have been my choice to haul the trailer with its GVWR of only 7600 lbs. Although fully capable of driving them, my wife did not like the extra height and mass of the 3/4 ton trucks (1,000-1,500 lbs.). I seriously doubt the braking capabilities of the 3/4 tons are better than the 1/2 tons, given the extra truck weight. Granted, the diesel exhaust braking may provide more engine braking than a gasoline engine. Diesel engines' reputation for durability and longevity is based on owners' experience with the simpler non-desmoged diesels of 30 years ago, especially the 4 and 5 cylinder engines fitted to 1980s era Mercedes sedans. Heck I had a 1-cylinder 12 hp Yanmar diesel that could be cranked up by hand (it had a compression release) that powered my 30-ft. sailboat. Today's common rail diesels use much higher injection pressures, exhaust gas recirculating and particulate traps to clean up the exhaust. Owners' experience has not been so good, especially the small VW diesels. And of course the Navistar-designed 6.0 and 6.4 Ford Powerstroke engines had so many problems that Ford sued Navistar and severed its relationship with that company. The 6.7 Powerstroke is a Ford-designed engine. So, IMHOP, the new diesels are great when they're working... but you'll pay more to fix 'em.
If I were pulling any thing but a 10,000 GVWR Airstream Classic 30, I'd have to be sold on a 3/4 ton diesel.
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Old 07-22-2015, 11:31 AM   #33
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I guess everyone on this thread is a Ford guy.
Speaking for myself, I have a 2012 F-150 that has been trouble free and has proven to be a great truck. I did look at the newer GM's but, although they look more upscale than the current Ford F-250's, I just felt they weren't "Ford tough." Seriously, some of the materials felt a bit weaker. Not sure how they'd last. I did look at the Ram briefly but my wife is not a big fan of the exterior aesthetics so it wasn't a big deal to me to nix that idea.

I'm staying with Ford.
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Old 07-22-2015, 12:25 PM   #34
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A 2012 F250 6.7L Crewcab Lariat is on a local Ford dealer, has 123k miles. Price $39,900, sticker MSRP is $60k. Truck has a tonneau cover of some sort. Purchased Dec 2011 locally. Guessing payload is around 1800 to 1900lbs No accident reports showing on the Autocheck. Has a Heavy Duty Service Suspension package. Has Lariat Ultimate package which includes moonroof but has for me the all important rear view camera.

Is it worth checking out? In the next couple of years we will be doing extensive traveling. Since the truck is mainly used for towing and short trips to the recycling center for yard debris not much mileage would be added on to it until we start traveling.

The same dealer is advertising new XLTs with 6.7L in the mid $40s but none have rear cameras.

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I guess everyone on this thread is a Ford guy.
Well, it is a Ford thread according to the thread title
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Old 07-22-2015, 01:36 PM   #36
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Kelvin,

I had a Ford sales rep tell me of a factory option rear view mirror that had small 2x3" or so screen that shows rear camera view. I can't find anywhere on Fords site, but lots of these were found online in general. Apparently lots of stuff exists beyond what's on Fords website. Thankfully.




The guy was talking to me about it in the context of me ordering a brand new silver XL 350 with bells and whistles not found on any of the lots. Remote start, power windows and doors, etc. with the 6.7, sounds like about $40k for a custom ordered 2016 XL.

Mid/high forties if I have my way, I'm wanting a lot nicer truck than the white work truck variety. But I'm not likely to spend a extra $15,000 to get a space shuttle dashboard I don't need.

Digging deeper into unlisted options now, having just emailed a few stealerships questions.

I want the rear view mirror camera, moonroof, leather interior on XL or XLT, and a 4.30 rear end if I buy the gasser. If diesel, still want more options than Ford list for XL. Rear A/C, sliding rear window, manual or auto. May or may not happen, but you never know without asking.

Assuming half what I want added to the XL is available, I will have saved $15k and have a far more reliable and simple interior.

Outside will be even better than a high trim F-350. 20" LED light bar between front tow hooks, flush mount LED fog lights built in rear bumper. Ford will add complete front chrome grill for a few hundred bucks. I can't deal with black plastic. Also getting Ford to put on the 6" chrome tubular side step bars.

I'm buying Fuel Throttle (brand) 18x10" wheels anyway, so the fugly steel painted XL wheels are gone. I'm going with 35x12.5x18 Cooper ST MAXX tires with snow plow prep or heavy duty front suspension package to ensure no clearance issues.

Wheels have -24 offset and will extend beyond wheel well 2-3", so Bushwacker fenders are bolting on with some sexy lady style mud flaps in back to keep rocks off Airstream. Will have the fenders and a line along bottom of truck painted metallic dark charcoal. Truck will be silver with black 6-8" line along bottom basically.

Putting an ARE Z cap on back. If diesel, will go ahead and spring for the 50 gallon Titan replacement tank. Truck N Buddy fold down tailgate width step, that holds 400 lbs, so even I can use it. Mainly for dog though. Spray in bed liner with thick rubber Ford mat on top after. Black aluminum flush mount tool box to hold essentials, jumper cables, tools, fuel filter, DEF, spare bulbs and headlight, tow straps, Hi-Lift jack.

May or may not get the set of truck nutz to hang off back. Undecided. Joking. But I'm after a real truck. So that's what I will buy. A real truck. All told, I will have about $50-53k in it if I follow through. But again, I'm getting what I want. Not what some schmuck at Ford thought looked good.

My goal is a 15-20 year truck. Don't care for all the gizmos and computers. Just an expensive repair bill waiting to happen. And let's be honest, what the hell can you do to mess up a rubber floor?

Many folks don't want dogs in their trucks. I could care less if my German shepherd takes a dump in mine. Just go to car wash and spray the back floorboard out. Ha ha.


Oh... Sorry Scott in NJ. I'm a bit off subject...

My answer to your question is 350


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Old 07-22-2015, 01:59 PM   #37
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A 2012 F250 6.7L Crewcab Lariat is on a local Ford dealer, has 123k miles. Price $39,900, sticker MSRP is $60k...Is it worth checking out?
Well, I can tell you that you can get any number of brand new 2015 F250 6.2V8 XLT's with stickers up to the $49,000 range for that price.
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Don't think the 6.2L gas is a good combo on this heavy truck. 10000 GVWR with 2600lbs payload means the curb weight is 7400lbs, which is 2000lbs heavier than my Tundra's curb weight. Yes, $39k seems high for the mileage even with it being a diesel. Found another local 2014 F250 6.7L Crewcab XLT with console with 12k miles, $46k asking price and it has rear view camera too. The bed has a spray in liner and gooseneck ball so its been used for towing. I may look at it since its close to home.

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Old 07-22-2015, 04:15 PM   #39
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You can buy a brand new 2015 for that.

Based on what little I know at any rate.

I've seen new 2015 F-250 XL's with 6.2 L for around 32-33k.

Guess 6.7 would be under 40k

XLT wouldn't add much to that.

Would be shocked if you couldn't buy brand new one for mid 40's.

Search Autotrader. Thousands of new ones listed and great filters.


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Here is an example..

2015 Ford F-250 XL 4x4 with 6.7 diesel. Silver color. $37k advertised price.

Cars for Sale: 2015 Ford F250 XL in Chantilly, VA 20151: Truck Details - 376226261 - Autotrader


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Gotta watch the XL's. They are really stripped down. That one doesn't come with the factory brake controller. Not that an aftermarket one can't be added.
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Old 07-22-2015, 06:43 PM   #42
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For sure. But it's nearly half the price of a loaded F-250 Platinum. Crazy. You could literally buy two XL's with 4x4 and 6.2 L gas for what one loaded Platinum cost.

Regarding options and the XL. Ordering one is only way to get what I would want. The only two things I really care about that don't come on it is leather seats and moonroof. Rear A/C and sliding rear window would be nice. I. Just going to replace back window when I get the truck. Need the window so dog can pop his head in cab from window on the ARE Z cap.

I saw a nicely equipped F-350 XL last week at a large volume dealer. Amazing the difference it made. It was a very nice truck. The power package adds power windows, door, maybe remote start and cruise. Not sure. But with all that, trailer brake controls and up fitter switches, dash knob for 4x4, it adds up. Basically was identical, or a little nicer than my current ride, a 2005 Tahoe LT. It just doesn't have all the computer and LCD screens and such. Nothing that matters mechanically is any different.

Most folks want the fluff. Nothing wrong with that. I just see very expensive repairs. But if trading every few years, who cares. I'm looking for a truck to keep a long time. Got more valuable things (to me) to spend my money on than cars. Been there, bought four new cars, got nothing to show for it. It's like a pit. Buying a boat adage, hole you put money in, to me.

Also, the door trim and such is pretty nice when the power windows were added. And had power side mirror controls. I'm trying to decide between snow plow prep and heavy duty front suspension. Need one or the other for tire clearance. The website doesn't exactly hand feed ya.


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I just put a search in Autotrader for 2015 F-250 4x4 crew cabs gassers and an entire page of brand new trucks appeared for $30,000. The lowest was $30,021. Can't believe they didn't have the foresight to knock $22 off so they could list it for...

$29,999




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