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Old 09-23-2012, 09:56 AM   #15
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How many family members do you have lol. A crew cab hauls 6 people comfortably lol.

Poor handling characteristics? Arnt GCs notorious for roll-overs?

I can see where you guys are comin from though. Im young and dont have kids or anything along those lines so I dont mind the rough ride, tall ride height, and all around huge-ness of a diesel truck. They have yet to build a diesel half ton in the US so I gotta stick with liking the big 3/4 tons
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:12 AM   #16
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(snip) Grand Cherokees arnt known for a cadillac-like ride and 3/4 tons are sure a far fetch from it too. (snip)
Of course Im speaking mostly from my opinion so I am biased. Not tryin to stir up an argument
The GC of 2011 and up are an entire different vehicle from those up to that point. My 2012 is a very nice tow vehicle. And, yes, I had earlier ones and they were capable too, but the new one is vastly better.

Of course that is my opinion, only based on owning 5 of them over the past 19 years and towing countless miles. I am biased by the fact of ownership, so very suspect.
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:27 AM   #17
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What kinda gas mileage does the 2008 GC diesel get?
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:34 AM   #18
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I really liked my 2000 Grand Cherokee, and I drove it into the ground - burned out a bearing at 150k miles. I also very much liked the enthusiast community surrounding it - not unlike the airstream forum - lots of folks to help deal with inevitable problems, walk throughs with pictures for common repairs, etc. And like with Airstreams, folks do a lot of customizations to their Jeeps and many enjoy working on their trucks themselves.

The Jeep community is vastly different than the Mercedes community which I replaced the Jeep with - there are people on the Mercedes forum who truly and passionately believe that an oil change requires a German technician. Not everyone, but almost all of them call it a car, and those of us that like to do our own work are relatively few and far between.

One thing to watch when the Diesel Jeep gets priced - especially in limited or higher trims, the Grand Cherokee can start to get pricey. They will probably also decide to charge a premium on top of this for the diesel motor.

On the Mercedes GL side, the truck with the Diesel motor is actually less expensive than either of the two gasoline options - so I can picture a scenario where the two vehicles are not priced that differently when configured with Diesel engines.

If the pricing ends up within $10k, the Mercedes GL is the easy winner. I loved my Grand Cherokee, but the GL is in a whole different league. And depreciation will be far less.
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:27 PM   #19
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No, I bought the Grand Cherokee Overland Diesel in 08 as a dealer demo (used by the dealership owner's wife) with 3500 miles. It was a fully loaded model. I was very happy with the price, negotiated an extended warranty, and have been happy ever after.
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Old 09-23-2012, 11:28 PM   #20
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Im sure itll be like diesel trucks...

The Grand Cherokee itself will be affordable, the diesel engine Grand Cherokee will costs out the hiney! No point in making something fuel efficent if no one can afford it
Our 2012 Ram diesel truck (YMMV) is anything but fuel efficient ... wasn't cheap either. It is a great ride, however! We looked at the ML series and decided - for the money - that the utility of the truck was hard to beat ... wife's daily driver is a Jeep which is wonderful around here in the snowy winters ... but somehow, I manage around town with the 3/4 crew... just LOL ...
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^^ Is the gas version of your truck is more fuel efficent than the diesel version?
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Old 09-24-2012, 02:44 PM   #22
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I drive and tow with a Dodge diesel 3500 4x4. Yess it's a BIG truck but no bigger than any other full size PU. I'm retired and it's my daily driver also. I have no trouble with all but the tightest places and enjoy the way it tows my 30'er with little effort. I'm sure there will come a time when I will change my opinion on this subject but for the time being I like my truck and it does to nicely. And my fuel economy is not bad either.
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The GC of 2011 and up are an entire different vehicle from those up to that point. My 2012 is a very nice tow vehicle. And, yes, I had earlier ones and they were capable too, but the new one is vastly better.

Of course that is my opinion, only based on owning 5 of them over the past 19 years and towing countless miles. I am biased by the fact of ownership, so very suspect.
Same. I'm on my 6th. It's a Jeep thing. It's just how we roll. Jim
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^^ Is the gas version of your truck is more fuel efficent than the diesel version?
Don't know ... if you go by what is printed and read the reviews, the gas does muuuuch better than the Ram diesel for fuel economy than the newest hog-tied / environmentally controlled diesel ... which in its former iterations was touted as less polluting than the gas variants.
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I ordered a 2013 Grand Cherokee Overland Summit yesterday with the 6 speed auto, 5.7 Hemi and the off road suspension package. Hemi is rated at 390 ft lbs of torque, 360 HP and has the fuel saver technology. GC will have a 3.0 TDi diesel that can be ordered in late December and will be on the floor in April or May. Allocations will be limited and there will be a hefty price tag. The tow rating on the GC I ordered is 7200 pounds. My Safari 25 FB weighs 6240.

The dealer did have an SRT with the BIG hemi, but tow rating was only 6000!
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GC sounds like it will be a respectable TV and I will watch to see how the diesel performs when it comes time to retire my Touareg V10 diesel. But Dennis, just curious, we have the same trailer and mine ways in at around 7200 lbs loaded for travel, but empty tanks. How does yours weigh in at a thousand pounds less?
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GC sounds like it will be a respectable TV and I will watch to see how the diesel performs when it comes time to retire my Touareg V10 diesel. But Dennis, just curious, we have the same trailer and mine ways in at around 7200 lbs loaded for travel, but empty tanks. How does yours weigh in at a thousand pounds less?
When we first got our trailer, my wife had table service for six and enough cook ware to cater a small gathering! Last year we took everything out of the trailer and if it hadn't been used in the past year, it didn't go back in. There are two place settings, paper plates, one pot and one frying pan. Instead of regular bedding, we have fitted sheets and comforters. No books....iPads. We used to keep lots of food...no more. A lot of dry goods are put into plastic containers to save sace and weight. We use 64 ounce containers frozem with drinking water in Coleman stainless steel coolers. As the water melts, we drink it. Also keep the coolers in the TV. The trailer was unhooked and weighed on the truck scale at Sandco on Trimble Lane.

According to the 2006 Safari owners manual, the 25 FB weighs 5210 empty. Put in 39 gallons of fresh water at 8.5 pounds equals 332 pounds. Next time you have your rig hooked up, run it over the scale at Basin Co-op. You might be surprised.
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Don't know ... if you go by what is printed and read the reviews, the gas does muuuuch better than the Ram diesel for fuel economy than the newest hog-tied / environmentally controlled diesel ... which in its former iterations was touted as less polluting than the gas variants.
That's seems to me to be an engineering problem; the Ford diesels are doing better than their gas motors from what I understand. Fuel efficiency and environmental constraints are part of the cost of doing business; balancing those objectives takes work and innovation.

It would be simpler if we lived on an infinite planet - but we don't, so constraints are a fact of life.

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