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Old 12-31-2015, 09:00 AM   #29
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I have never gotten my 4x2 stuck anywhere in 9 years and 65000 miles. I do avoid sand but have done lots of gravel and grassy areas.

I do have Good Sam Towing, just in case...

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Old 12-31-2015, 09:25 AM   #30
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When I was a young fellow beginning to buy 4x4 trucks. My dad used to say the only difference between a (four wheel drive) and a (two wheel drive) will be about 100Ft. further in the swamp and now you will need a D8-Cat to get out.....

Sorry, could not resist as the advise (when I was younger) might actually have some merit. As I needed a pull out of more than 1-swamp.....lol
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Old 12-31-2015, 09:34 AM   #31
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Tao - Do what others above suggested - key into that payload number! My sister has a 2010 F-150 with a 1700 lb payload and it works pretty good with her 25' heavy tongue weight Airstream.
In the future you may want to take more "stuff" with you on your trips such as tools, chairs, grills, fishing equipment, truck cap..... think about what your camping style may be. It may take some time to find but there are decently equipped half ton trucks on the market.
I would also opt for the 4x4 but my truck is used for many tasks other than camping. It has come in handy when our Airstream rally was caught in a rainstorm. We were all boondocking in a big field and overnight it rained 2". Those who had 4x4 got out with mud flyin' high, all others were pulled out.
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Old 12-31-2015, 10:26 AM   #32
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We have the 3.73 on our current 2014. If I remember right, it becomes your only option when you order the HD Tow and HD Payload Packages. By the time we are ready to order a new one, I'm guessing the 17's will be out and possibly the new 10 speed transmission. I'm thinking that should make an (already) very good Airstream Tow unit even better....
What I have found that effects mileage is the Tow mode.( I have the 3.73 axle 5.5' box Platinum 36 gl tank)
I use it judicially because I noticed engaging it full time lowers the mpg. Pulling our 30' at 65 I can get 10.5 consistently. Pushing at 70 or 72 it is 9.5 to 10. No trailer I get 19 at 70mph. At 80 it drops down to 17.5
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Old 12-31-2015, 10:54 AM   #33
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A tonneau cover will improve gas mileage by a couple of MPG, if that set-up works with what you carry in the bed.
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Old 12-31-2015, 11:40 AM   #34
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When I was a young fellow beginning to buy 4x4 trucks. My dad used to say the only difference between a (four wheel drive) and a (two wheel drive) will be about 100Ft. further in the swamp and now you will need a D8-Cat to get out.....

Sorry, could not resist as the advise (when I was younger) might actually have some merit. As I needed a pull out of more than 1-swamp.....lol
Very familiar phrase. My family had a garage, and a tow truck, and we were in a rural area. We did a fair bit of off-road recovery, usually lifted 4x4s who, as my dad used to say, just got 100 feet further down a road or trail that they shouldn't have been on in the first place. We got a lot more of them out with a winch and a snatch block than with the 4x4 on the tow truck.

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Old 12-31-2015, 03:51 PM   #35
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This sounds very strange, coming from a couple of Canadians. Are you in some previously unknown-to-me- section of Canada where it doesn't snow??

That extra "100 feet" gets me up the driveway to my house, which you can not do in any 2-wheel drive pickup if there is even a slight coating of snow or ice on the ground. The last 100' to the house is on a 13% grade. As soon as you pitch up (and I've tried in many different trucks), forward motion ceases. faghettabout it.

In 4x4, no-problem. And I can push a fair amount of heavy snow UP that hill with the plow, as well.

But the 4x4 does FAR more than that...mainly, it prevents the UNINTENDED off-road excursion whilst out and about in crappy weather. It has many times been the difference between getting home at all, and winding up in a ditch somewhere.

Also, being rather under-powered, my old pick-em-up doesn't like backing the Airstream up that same hill in my driveway...but in 4x4 low, it rolls it right up at idle throttle, like it isn't even there.
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Old 12-31-2015, 06:35 PM   #36
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Somewhere in my archives, I have all the weight breakdowns of Eq, Reese DC, and haha. IIRC, it is about 90 pounds difference between Reese and haha.

Here's the weighed numbers for my HAHA.

Hitch weight Calculation:
Hensley total: 166.5#
Hensley head: 99#
Remainder: 67.5# (Use 23# as TV load and 45# as tongue weight)

This did not include the stinger though, as I was just trying to determine actual AS tongue weight while weighing with a Sherline scale.
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Old 12-31-2015, 09:12 PM   #37
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Well, Life is an Adventure. On my way to Ford dealership this morning. Stopped in to visit a very good friend who is the GM at a Lexus dealership. He showed me a GMC Sierra crew cab, 2015, 4x4, SLT Z71 with 1,563 miles on it he took in trade late last night from an old customer of his. Vehicle was brand new in every way. 5.3 V8 Ecotek engine, 3.42 axel, GVW of 7,200#'s, trailer package, Nav, 20" wheels, brake controller and too many other options to list. Offered me too sweet of a deal to leave behind. Test drove it and ride was much quite and smoother than the XLT I drove at Ford dealer on Tuesday! Bought it and it's now in the garage. Thus, decision is made and it has the towing capacity to pull a 25 or 27' AS when finances allow.

Thank you for your help here and I'm open to any pearls os wisdom on the GMC that owners of such would like to share.
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Old 12-31-2015, 11:14 PM   #38
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Odd. I have a 2013 Ecoboost. 4x4, max tow. 82K miles total. 26K towing a 2013 28' International.

Max MPG not towing is 13.2. Iowa - all flat. Friends report similar here.

20.6? Not buying it. 15.5 towing a car trailer? No way.

Great truck to be sure - fantastic in fact. But 20+ MPG is a reporting error.
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Fuelly shows 2013 3.5L FX4 (4WD and Ecoboost therefore, the NA V6 that year was 3.7l) has an average of 15.1 mpg across 14 trucks for a total of 298k miles. Obtaining that average would require quite a few fill-ups at more than 15.1 mpg because they do drink it when towing (just like the V8s requiring more RPM to produce less power) so if any of those 742 fill-ups was a ~10 mpg towing tank, some of them were well over 15.1 mpg. If your best, non-towing tank ever is 13.2 mpg and you calculate MPG every tank, I wonder how/where you do most of your driving, what kind of tires you run, etc.
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Old 01-01-2016, 10:55 AM   #40
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I toiled a bit over that question...but when you need it, you need it. Wet, grassy site, beach sites, very steep gravel cg roads. Plus, I live north. Solo snow driving is frequent. On the flip, you gain about 200 pounds of payload with 2wd.

4 wheel drive comes in real handy descending steep grades as well.
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Odd. I have a 2013 Ecoboost. 4x4, max tow. 82K miles total. 26K towing a 2013 28' International.

Max MPG not towing is 13.2. Iowa - all flat. Friends report similar here.

20.6? Not buying it. 15.5 towing a car trailer? No way.

Great truck to be sure - fantastic in fact. But 20+ MPG is a reporting error.

car trailer are very easy to tow...

i get around 20-22mpg driving route like Penticton, bc to Banff Alberta (into the mountain....50-60mph) That is my usual average

Same route towing argosy 24 is 12-13mpg as a average

My best empty mpg is 25ish when keeping speed lower. and best towing with argosy is 15mpg for 450 miles.

So...towing a car..i would expect very good mpg. HWY speed is the killer for mpg.....
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20+ mpg through the Rockies is surprising indeed. This is curious. I wonder why the difference.

Fuelly reports a 13.4mpg average for the Platinums (no records for the King Ranch, which ours is). That's similar to my experience and what other locals here report.

But then Fuelly reports a 16.6mpg average for the Lariats, with a larger sample size.

2013 Ford F-150 Platinum Mileage

2013 Ford F-150 Lariat Mileage

Both sample sizes are too small though, really.

70-ish mph highway speed may account for some of it. 10% ethanol in the fuel perhaps. More weight in the higher trim levels. Might be lots of little variables driving the number down... but 20 on the TransCanada in the Rockies vs 13 in Iowa is weird.

I might try a Scangauge to see if the computer is reporting correctly.
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