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Old 10-24-2014, 08:28 PM   #15
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Tomy - One more time, with emphasis: research CanAm RV in Ontario to get a different perspective on towing with your Volvo.


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Oh I did. Got a kick out of the Mini Cooper towing an AS. The side by side with the SOB was enlightening as well.
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Old 10-24-2014, 09:12 PM   #16
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Wow, an XC70 pulling a 34 footer! And a 2008 at that!

I think the auto makers are doing a little CYA with their towing capacities. Only when you get to trucks where it is a major selling point do the marketing departments start to hold sway over the legal departments. It will be great when all the auto makers start adhering to the new SAE standards for towing capacity.

I have to say, my XC90 with the V8 is an absolute joy to drive. It's hard to resist not kicking it to feel the acceleration and hear the throaty growl of the V8.

I was checking my tire pressure today, and these have to be the biggest set of disc brakes I have ever seen.

The Volvo isn't just a bunch of air bags, it even drives safe. You really feel in control, very responsive. In my youth I was quite the sports car enthusiast, and honestly, this car rates up there with some of them on power and handling.

Reading the owners manual is nothing short of amazing. It even has an air quality sensor that will automatically switch to recirculation in the event of contaminates.

You guys should all get a cut of the AS salesman's commission. I'll be buying one this summer.
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Old 10-24-2014, 09:43 PM   #17
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Tomy,

I am going to offer a different perspective...

I think your Volvo is an excellent vehicle. Very safe and capable (I am a big time Volvo fan). I will stick with the manufacturer tow ratings though. Why?

I have been frequenting this forum for more than a year or two. Most folks that exceed their vehicle's tow ratings reside in Canada. Whats OK/legal in Canada is not necessarily OK/legal in the US and vice-versa. There are folks south of the border that greatly appreciate the under rated tow vehicles. If you look at their profile, many actually own full size pickups (sometimes, diesel/heavy duty versions of it). Could you tow more than what the manufacturer recommends? probably yes. Should you tow more than what the manufacturer recommends? IMO, probably no. But you need to decide this on your own.

In the past year or two, I have seen many folks that tow with under rated tow vehicles. When you ask them about their set up, everything is fine: pulling/stopping power, handling. There seems to be no ill effect on their tow vehicles towing thousands of pounds more than what they are designed to tow. Then after a while, the same folks, suddenly (and quietly) upgrade to a proper tow vehicle for seemingly un-related reasons. My observation has been that under-rated tow vehicles are not a long term solution (unless maybe you tow a small/vintage trailer).

Just my observations.
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Old 10-24-2014, 10:23 PM   #18
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I don't think I would ever consider going over tow ratings. The gray area for me is percentage of manufacturer tow rating, and base weight to fully loaded weight. My wife and I dream of someday full timing, but my youngest is a freshman in high school, and I'm about eleven years away from retirement age. Right now we'd be weekend warriors with a weekends worth of clothing, and maybe a couple of steaks and potatoes, a grill and some lump charcoal, and an aging pug. Kids are old enough to not want to hang out with us, and mature enough to take care of themselves when we want to take a weekend.

I was impulsive and irresponsible in my youth. I've become more methodical in my old age. Had I invested the money that I spent on some of those of the sports cars, I might have been able to retire early.

But by the same token, I could wait eleven years to buy my AS, and drop dead before buying one. I'm fortunate by really a roll of the dice that my retirement is well taken care of, by a pension and completely accidental 401k choices.

My sort of vague plan is getting in an AS as soon as this summer, and over time upgrading both the TV and TT. I've actually been scoping prices of fairly new Airstreams, and the resale value of Airstreams is insane. A car depreciation is exponential, but an AS is closer to linear.

It's just that a pickup is not good for my families needs right now. I actually will have three kids learning how to drive over the next several years, and I want then to be in the safest thing possible.
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I just went through a similar decision process, we bought a new FC23 with the thought of using our Mercedes ML430 (gas) as TV. Trailer weight loaded with supplies and 1/2 tank of water would be about the same of the MB's tow capacity of 6000#. Most advice said it would be fine, as tow capacity rating of US vehicles is understated. However, I didn't like pushing the envelope on tow rating and I didn't like a 23' trailer with the shorter wheelbase of the ML. Last think I wanted was a fatigued driving experience and I didn't want a 3/4 Pick-up. So we opted for the purchase of a low milage Infinity QX56 with a tow capacity of 9200#. We just completed our first trip of 1900 miles and I'm happy to have made the decision to go with a stronger TV. Flawless experience and in great comfort. We even experienced cross winds of 25-30 mph for over 200 miles with only a slight notice of them. When we stopped for gas and got out of the car I could hardly stand up straight the wind was so strong, but I would have never known it was that bad on the highway, even saw two semis on their side. I suggest a TV with a good 130-150% of gross trailer weight to be safe and comfortable. I also am a believer in anti-sway equalizer hitches. Make your outings a joy.
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I just went through a similar decision process, we bought a new FC23 with the thought of using our Mercedes ML430 (gas) as TV. Trailer weight loaded with supplies and 1/2 tank of water would be about the same of the MB's tow capacity of 6000#. Most advice said it would be fine, as tow capacity rating of US vehicles is understated. However, I didn't like pushing the envelope on tow rating and I didn't like a 23' trailer with the shorter wheelbase of the ML. Last think I wanted was a fatigued driving experience and I didn't want a 3/4 Pick-up. So we opted for the purchase of a low milage Infinity QX56 with a tow capacity of 9200#. We just completed our first trip of 1900 miles and I'm happy to have made the decision to go with a stronger TV. Flawless experience and in great comfort. We even experienced cross winds of 25-30 mph for over 200 miles with only a slight notice of them. When we stopped for gas and got out of the car I could hardly stand up straight the wind was so strong, but I would have never known it was that bad on the highway, even saw two semis on their side. I suggest a TV with a good 130-150% of gross trailer weight to be safe and comfortable. I also am a believer in anti-sway equalizer hitches. Make your outings a joy.
What type of hitch are you using?
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Tomy we are using a Equai-i-zer (brand) 10,000 lb anti sway. I have also used the older style Reese in years past, but this one does a better job of sway control. I think any of the major brands with anti sway mechanism makes for a more comfortable tow.
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So we opted for the purchase of a low milage Infinity QX56 with a tow capacity of 9200#.
Rev, for years now we have towed with an Infinity too. Like your QX56 it has worked great. We like the lighter weight of the G35. It really handles well and with the vehicles prowess touring is very relaxing with 23' in tow. Can Am did an amazing job of getting the set up right which is so important with any combination.
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My sort of vague plan is getting in an AS as soon as this summer, and over time upgrading both the TV and TT. I've actually been scoping prices of fairly new Airstreams, and the resale value of Airstreams is insane. A car depreciation is exponential, but an AS is closer to linear.
So true.. In our case we opted for a nice 30 year old 23'. 12 years later the market value is more than what we paid for it. There can be good value in the older ones.
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OK since I work on Volvos all da long let me tell you to change or flush the transmission every 20 k. I see so many of these cook their trans and never pull a thing. The V8 is the better one BUT they have a problem with the idler pullies on the serpentine belt. They lock up and snap off causing you to have to replace the whole front of the engine. Funny that the dealer stocks one. But in a whole it is one the the only good motors they put in since they switched to the white engine. Well until your check engine light comes on again.
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OK since I work on Volvos all da long let me tell you to change or flush the transmission every 20 k. I see so many of these cook their trans and never pull a thing. The V8 is the better one BUT they have a problem with the idler pullies on the serpentine belt. They lock up and snap off causing you to have to replace the whole front of the engine. Funny that the dealer stocks one. But in a whole it is one the the only good motors they put in since they switched to the white engine. Well until your check engine light comes on again.
Thanks for all the info. I'll make sure I do that. It's got 124k on it an I'm just going to assume that 120k service was not done and go ahead do it.
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Like I mentioned, I bought the vehicle not as a TV, but for three soon-to-be-driving teenagers. I hadn't seen this, a friend just sent it to me.

90 mph head-on, between a Camaro and an XC90. The XC90 driver had broken ribs. The three passengers of the Camaro suffered the same fate as the front two thirds of the Camaro.

The smallest Sport 16, while not my dream size, will fit our needs at this time, has good resale value, and is well within the specifications of our TV.

When we're ready to full time, I'll be looking for the most car-like TV that can tow an EB 27FB.

The 98 Expedition was the most un-fun vehicle I've ever driven. Just don't want to do that again. Getting to those beautiful places should be pleasurable too.

Thanks to everyone for their help.
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