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03-17-2007, 09:17 AM
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Rivet Master
Some Place with a German Name
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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I have yet to test drive or even see one in person, but form what I see, I like. Yes the styling is a little edgy, but for those to say it's ugly clearly haven't been looking at the massive new shnoze of the big Fords. Poor truck was truly beaten with the ugly stick. Toyota interiors generally won't win any design awards with their conservative styling, but from what I have seen the controls appear to be logically laid out while not being too overbearing (have you ever seen the interior of a VW Touareg at night? It's like flying a 747). Interior finish is also supposed to be MUCH inproved from the previous plastic-y finished that plagued previous Tundra and Tacoma models.
In any case, I'm waiting for a diesel version. I'm done buying gasoline vehicles.
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03-17-2007, 09:44 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
St. Catharines
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Join Date: Aug 2002
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The Audi Q7 will be out in a year or so. The 3.0 V6 diesel generates 230 hp and 369 lb.-ft. (500 Nm) of torque, which is available at 1,400 rpm.
The Q7’s 5.9-liter V-12 makes a massive 500 horsepower and 738 pound-feet of torque.
The wheel base will be 6" longer than your T-Reg.
For car lovers the 2009 Cadillac CTS available in Europe will get a 2.9 state of the art oil-burner with 250 horsepower and a whopping 406 lb-ft of torque, The Caddy might just be fun to drive and tow too.
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03-17-2007, 09:54 AM
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Rivet Master
Some Place with a German Name
, Texas
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 908
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I driven the Q7. Too ugly, too expensive and you can't offroad it. For less or the same than I can get a lightly equipped Q7, I can get a fully loaded V10 TDI Touareg. The V10 is a BLAST to drive. VW will have their 3.0L V6 TDI diesel Touareg here in late 08 to early 09, same specs as the Q7 diesel. The V6 TDI will be a fantastic engine, and I will probably own one when they come out.
But I'm not sure I want to go German again for my main tow vehicle. The payload capabilities of a truck are just too attractive these days. I've got two dogs, strollers, coolers, etc that could be sitting in the back of the pickup bed instead of crammed inside the back of a SUV. The Tundra won't be quite as nimble as the Touareg offroad, but it will stil be capable enough for a couple of mountain runs.
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03-17-2007, 09:54 AM
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Airstreamin and luvin it
Commercial Member
2005 25' Safari
Northwest Panhandle
, The Sunshine State/WBCCI 6637
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Touareg
If you all want to see what the Touareg can do.Check out Westfalias Signature sites.He has done way more than I have with this Vehicle and has way more expirience with this offroading and such.
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03-17-2007, 09:55 AM
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Rivet Master
Some Place with a German Name
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 908
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Devo, when are we going to get you out west for a little romp in the dirt???
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03-17-2007, 10:10 AM
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2 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
N.E.
, Texas
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 51
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yeah, I've looked
Westfalia,
You bet I've looked at the Ford vehicles, and the SuperDuty trucks are not great looking, probably on par with the new Tundra in terms of exterior styling.
The Tundra's interior is not well laid out, you'll see when you drive it. Also the interior has a lot of shiny black plastic and silvery plastic arranged in this odd sort of two dash motif. It's not the worst but not on par with the interior of Ford's F-150 series or even GM's new interiors. Now I'm not talking buld quality here they are all about the same now. The new GM interiors are much, much improved in terms of quality and functionality. Ford has been a leader in quality functional design for a good while and their up-trimmed F-150s (current gen.) show it.
But for me I'd not buy the Ford for other reasons. I'm in the market for a new full size truck and the new GM line is my favorita and the new Toyota a close second. I'm not in love with the new Silverado exterior, it's ok. But the new GMC is nicely done, in and out. I just wish they'd have put the six speed tranny in the 1/2 ton. I think two more gears coupled with the active fuel management would have been on sweet rig. Maybe now that Toyota showed up with a six speed in a 1/2 ton, GM will opt to put their sweet six speed_in_theirs.
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03-17-2007, 10:41 AM
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#67
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Airstreamin and luvin it
Commercial Member
2005 25' Safari
Northwest Panhandle
, The Sunshine State/WBCCI 6637
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Dirt Rompin
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Originally Posted by Westfalia
Devo, when are we going to get you out west for a little romp in the dirt???
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We are trying to get things together to do this in the future.Also we will only be able to do it during the months of november 1st to febuary 28th.I work a lot during the rest of the months.When we do though,I will give you a heads up for sure.I really want to take this thing out into some rough terrain and desert racing.
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03-17-2007, 10:52 AM
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with much anticipation,
i spent 3 hours with a new tundra recently.
it is clearly a solid 1/2 ton contender now.
should make 4 many happy owners.
might be the ideal next tv for devoman...
as predicted back here...
http://www.airforums.com/forum...2-post108.html
for towing less than 200 miles and seldom above 200 feet.
i agree the dash isn't user friendly,
and the interior materials are just average...
not like the other upscale toyota products.
it felt like a dodge or ge'em from 10 years past and not in a good way.
most interior surfaces DID look and feel like the "plastic-y" interiors from past models.
the nissan is much much nicer than the toyota inside.
ge'em has nailed their interior styiing. basically identical to 1998-2002 audis.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/219452-post5.html
toyotas are known to be rattle free and tightly finished. the 2 i pawed were not.
the brakes are beefy, but the rear diff case, and leaf springs are wimpy looking...
the springs and rear shackles have an odd design that again looks weak...
the reciever is nice but attaches on the sides fo the rails and has to go around the shackels...
again odd. mostly these issues look2b from space constraints and 'short rails'.
the mirrors are not large enough 4me and the back seat once folded isn't spacious.
trucks are great multipurpose vehicles. 1/2 tons rule 4 combining tasks...
still IF your travel trailer is approaching 8,000 lbs AND lots of towing is required,
the 3/4 ton bones and a diesel heart are noticeably better at the task...
cheers
2air'
i'll post some pics of the 'yota soon.
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03-19-2007, 06:16 AM
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1 Rivet Short
1989 25' Excella
By The Bay
, Rhode Island
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,620
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03-29-2007, 02:25 PM
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Aluminut
2004 25' Safari
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Join Date: Feb 2003
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03-29-2007, 03:31 PM
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Just an old timer...
2004 22' Interstate
Tipton
, Iowa
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Westfalia
I have yet to test drive or even see one in person, but form what I see, I like. Yes the styling is a little edgy, but for those to say it's ugly clearly haven't been looking at the massive new shnoze of the big Fords. Poor truck was truly beaten with the ugly stick. Toyota interiors generally won't win any design awards with their conservative styling, but from what I have seen the controls appear to be logically laid out while not being too overbearing (have you ever seen the interior of a VW Touareg at night? It's like flying a 747). Interior finish is also supposed to be MUCH inproved from the previous plastic-y finished that plagued previous Tundra and Tacoma models.
In any case, I'm waiting for a diesel version. I'm done buying gasoline vehicles.
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I have seen one in person. The interior looks like last year's F150 and has all the warmth, personality, and comfort of the inside of a refrigerator... with chrome racks. The exterior is large and not particularly stylish.
The first iteration of Tundra was more stylish and had a pleasant feel. At least the plastic in the interior was color matched injection-molded rather than silver painted.
I had been excited about seeing them when they first were announced. Frankly now after seeing one, I think the Chevy is king of the hill in the new truck lines. I'll undoubtedly keep my '02 Tundra for a long while.
Roger
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Former Airstreams: 1953 Flying Cloud, 1957 Overlander, 1961 Bambi, 1970 Safari Special, 1978 Argosy Minuet, 1985 325 Moho, 1994 Limited 34' Two-door, 1994 B190 "B-Van"
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03-29-2007, 07:05 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2007 25' Safari FB SE
Aptos
, California
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Hi all--thought I'd make an introductory post and weigh in on the new Tundra at the same time. I picked up a new 5.7 6sp Dual Cab 2 WD about a month ago, and have been driving it for work in addition to having towed our 25' Safari FB about 800 miles. This is my third Toyota--I had a 2000 Tundra prior to this--and worked it hard in my contracting business for 100k miles. The only problems with the truck were warped rotors and a bad starter solenoid--and poor gas milage (13-14 MPG) But I haul dump trailers all the time that can weigh up to 7-8k (no weight distribution or sway control) and the truck never broke. We live in hilly country with really bad roads, and the truck was burdened with tool boxes and a lumber rack. Had a couple of Chevys in the past with a fair amount of problems, although I think GM has made huge gains in the reliability department. But the decision to buy the new Toyota was based less on reliability than on some other factors that were important to me, though I did look at the new Silverado and the Fords in the process. I was mainly looking for something that would comfortably tow our trailer and still be tolerable as a daily driver and a work truck. This ruled out the 3/4 tons and the diesels, though if our trailer were much bigger I might be forced to go there. The Tundra works very well as a tow vehicle for the Safari. Very steady at all speeds and a lot of power in the hills. The engine is remarkable--the proverbial iron fist in a velvet glove, while still making 10-12 MPG towing and 16 MPG around town. The 6 speed transmission is always in the right gear, and the first gear is like a granny for pulling the 22% grade to our house.
The truck is very solid and rattle-free, and the interior seems contemporary without being too car-like. The interior of my truck is grey, which seems to integrate better with the other materials. The back-up camera makes off angle hook-ups a breeze, and once you have blue tooth for your cell phone you'll never go back to one-handed driving. It doesn't ride as smoothly as the previous Tundra, but about 500 pounds of equipment in the bed makes a big difference. So far I am very happy with the truck, but I have to admit those new Silverados and GMC's look pretty nice.
Also had a positive review from my wife (janetb) who towed our trailer to the Western Women's Rally last weekend. This was her first ever solo (about 500 miles round trip) and she felt very confident with the whole set up.
Terry
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03-29-2007, 07:52 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Huntington Beach
, California
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,293
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She didn't tell me....go figure
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Originally Posted by Rollertoaster
Hi all--thought I'd make an introductory post and weigh in on the new Tundra at the same time. I picked up a new 5.7 6sp Dual Cab 2 WD about a month ago, and have been driving it for work in addition to having towed our 25' Safari FB about 800 miles. Also had a positive review from my wife (janetb) who towed our trailer to the Western Women's Rally last weekend. This was her first ever solo (about 500 miles round trip) and she felt very confident with the whole set up.
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Hi Terry,
Welcome to the forum world, after reading your post carefully, I figured out my other half was at the womens gig with your wife. So I just turned to her and said "you didn't tell me one of the ladies had a new Tundra". As a car guy I am always "looking" at the new rigs. We pull the same AS with our F250PSD and I have been waiting to see if the new breed of 1/2 tons are getting to where they can do the job safely and comfortably. I have driven the new Tundra, both Doule Cab and Crew Max with the 5.7/6spd and was impressed with the power and overall smoothness of the powertrain. I am looking forward to further update from you on your Tundra/Safari 25FB combination.
John
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03-29-2007, 08:39 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 25' Safari FB SE
Santa Cruz
, California
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 928
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Not her fault! I was tucked into the edge of the wagon circle and she was way too busy saving lives (or sanities...) and making sure the wine was palatable.
But the Tundra did serve me well, and after hating to drive all the other trucks we've had, I felt I could get into a very safe driving position with this one. I'm 5'4'' and needed to get the seat high enough, and my feet secure on the pedals without being too close to the steering wheel. It was easy to do, and, most importantly, I had great visibility out of the windows and mirrors. Helped my confindence tremendously.
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03-30-2007, 07:16 AM
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1 Rivet Short
1989 25' Excella
By The Bay
, Rhode Island
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Originally Posted by Silvertwinkie
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Not surprising. I have always felt that the truck market will be the toughest challenge for the foreign manufacturers. Pickup divers are the most brand loyal, some as much as bikers. I am sure the foreigners will try everything they can to increase market share, but as the Market Watch article stated, it is more likely the increase will come at the expense of their own product line. You can sell a Toyota truck to a Toyota guy; you can sell a Nissan truck to a Nissan guy. But you can’t sell any of those to a “Truck” guy…
With the price penalty of the new Toyota (for the price of a ½ ton you can buy a domestic ¾ ton) and with GM’s new 100k mile warranty-why would you buy foreign?
I like my GM’s, and feel they are a good value. I don’t really like to put down any of the other brands, to each his own. Truth is you would be hard pressed to find anything on a lot now-a-days that isn’t well built. Having said that, I will agree with some of the previous posts; I saw the new Toyota at the local RV show this winter, and I also think the interior felt…well, kinda small, plastic, and I don’t know-kid like? (Maybe contemporary is a better word)? Something just didn’t click. Maybe I’m just gettin’ old…
I came away thinking; are they sure this is full size?
Or, 7/8 size like the last model year?
I don’t doubt it will be as reliable as anything else out there. I personally could not justify buying one of these over the domestics if I ever needed a ½ ton …
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03-30-2007, 07:25 AM
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Aluminut
2004 25' Safari
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Join Date: Feb 2003
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03-30-2007, 01:16 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
1982 24' Airstream 240
Ventura
, California
Join Date: May 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollertoaster
The back-up camera makes off angle hook-ups a breeze, Terry
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Great looking truck and trailer......does the back-up camera come as an option on the new Tundra? thanks, pj
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03-30-2007, 03:22 PM
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Just an old timer...
2004 22' Interstate
Tipton
, Iowa
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,765
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Silvertwinkie
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Hey, I buy features and longevity for the dollars. Our stable currently holds an '02 Tundra, the '00 Excursion, an '06 Honda Civic, and an '01 Chevy S10!
Roger
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Former Airstreams: 1953 Flying Cloud, 1957 Overlander, 1961 Bambi, 1970 Safari Special, 1978 Argosy Minuet, 1985 325 Moho, 1994 Limited 34' Two-door, 1994 B190 "B-Van"
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03-30-2007, 04:59 PM
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#79
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Rivet Master
1976 31' Sovereign
Currently Looking...
Chandler
, Oklahoma
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,770
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Saw the new 07 Tundra. My step-side is still way sexier.
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