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Old 04-10-2006, 02:30 PM   #15
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I haven't done a lot of research on it cause I'm not in that situation....yet, but if I were getting a 30' or larger (and newer type) Airstream, had a family, I'd be looking at either a new 2006 with the 8.1L or if I had to do it later, looking for a good used one. In retrospect, if I had to do it all over again, I'm not sure I'd by new for a mass produced with most options type truck again. They loose their value like a guy in a whorehouse with a fist full of fifties..... It might not be a bad idea to look pre-owned....lots of great Burbs with the 8.1L with low miles for about $30k (new can be upwared of $51k retail).

If for some reason one liked Fords (no shame, admitting it is have the road to recovery ), I suppose they'd be in the same boat, although I do recall the Expedition getting a bit more meat, it was a far cry from the Excursion and for your 34 footer not sure I'd consider the Expedition anyway.

If I was sticking to 25' or 28' (smaller, and a good 1/2 would do) the 6.0L 3/4 ton Suburban would still be a good choice for a TV with chidlren IMHO.
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Old 04-11-2006, 07:20 AM   #16
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hey steve.......

the powerstroke is now 50 states legal/certified....
took awhile to get the current engine data accepted...
but now it is....no changes in the powerplant....just the approval...

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How did the Ford Powerstroke wander into this thread?

FWIW my 05 Powerstroke has CA emissions, it IS NOT a 50 state truck.
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GM - Isuzu going separate ways

Thanks for pointing that out 2airishumin. Wish I had time for every last detail. If I err it is only because I too am human .... Let's digress to the real story --

I don't doubt that GM will support diesels that they have installed. National party politics go pillar to post when we heard how gas guzzlers were an American right not so very long ago. The tea leaves have been leaning to conservation for the last year or more and the latest federal SUV/truck MPG guidelines certainly make that clear.

Get it while you can? Ya gotta wonder about GM's commitment to heavy haulers (a.k.a. diesel) when you see today's article in the NYTimes: G.M. Sells Isuzu Stake for $300 Million (this link will remain active for only a short period; free membership may be required). This isn't necessarily/only a MoHo issue. See: ford diesel vs. chevy d/a

Perspectives that build on the Big Three's commitment are welcome.

From today's New York Times:

G.M. Sells Isuzu Stake for $300 Million

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TOKYO (AP) -- Cash-strapped General Motors Corp. is selling the shares it holds in truckmaker Isuzu to two Japanese trading companies and a bank for about $300 million to fund its turnaround in North America, the U.S. automaker said Tuesday.


"Disposing of the Isuzu stake marks the latest retreat for a company besieged by staggering losses, labor problems and mounting competition from Asian automakers. The move also highlights GM's rapid pullout from Japanese partnerships it has built since the 1970s.


"GM said last month that it was selling the 7.9 percent stake it held in Isuzu Motors Ltd., or about 90 million shares, but will keep its business partnership with Isuzu, such as joint development and manufacturing of trucks and diesel engines.


"Previously, the Detroit-based automaker had been the top stakeholder in Isuzu.


"Mitsubishi Corp., which has a joint venture with Isuzu to make and sell trucks in Thailand, is purchasing 40 million shares at 16 billion yen ($135 million), raising its stake in Isuzu from 0.2 percent to 3.7 percent.
Itochu Corp., which has a partnership with both GM and Isuzu, is also purchasing 40 million shares at 16 billion yen ($135 million), raising its stake to 4.2 percent, and Mizuho Corporate Bank, which works as Isuzu's main bank, is acquiring 10 million shares for 4 billion yen ($34 million), the companies said.


"GM Chief Executive Rick Wagoner said the sale was needed to strengthen GM's balance sheet during the revival effort and would not end the alliance with Isuzu.


"''Our relationship is strong and getting stronger, and we look forward to our continued partnership,'' he said in a statement.
Shinji Kitayama, auto analyst with Shinko Securities Co. in Tokyo, said the shares were going to businesses that already had ties with Isuzu, and made sense.


"Earlier this month, GM sold 17 percent of Suzuki Motor Corp. for about $2 billion, leaving it with a 3 percent stake. That followed last year's sale of GM's entire 20 percent stake in Fuji Heavy Industries, the maker of Subaru cars.


"The GM-Isuzu partnership covers the development, manufacturing and distribution of pickup trucks in Asia, Latin America, Africa and the Middle East. They make diesel engines for cars in Europe and pickups in the United States.


"GM acquired a 34 percent stake in Isuzu in 1971, and raised that to 49 percent in 1998. In 2002, GM lowered its stake to 12 percent, and to 7.9 percent last year.


"Isuzu's shares, which have doubled in recent months compared to a year ago, rose 2.6 percent in Tokyo trading to 440 yen ($4). Isuzu and General Motors made their announcement after trading ended in Tokyo.
General Motors, the world's largest automaker which lost $10.6 billion last year and plans to close 12 facilities in North America by 2008, also said earlier this month that it's selling a 51 percent stake in its finance arm in a deal expected to generate $14 billion."
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Old 04-23-2006, 09:38 PM   #18
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Ok, I saw a 3/4 Chevy van (2006) today with a Duramax (LLY version).

GM is clearly putting the second generation Duramax (not the current 3rd generation Duramax) into the work van line. I took a peak under it and clearly, there is no Allision transmission. Looks like a modified 4L80e. Bell housing didn't look like cast aluminum either.

I wonder how long it will take to put this into the Burb? I can't see it being far off now.
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:04 PM   #19
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Hi--My experience has been all Chevy small block, 3/4 ton window vans (not conversion vans which always have 3.42 or smaller rear), and 1/2 ton Suburbans. Started in 1971 with vans, when the kids were smaller, and switched to Suburbans in the late 1980s. I like both. The vans are a lot more versatile (can fit in just about every thing and every body) and new are about $10K less for the same running gear. Switched to Suburbans, because they were less expensive over all due to minimum depreciation (no more), and a little better ride. Would not hesitate to go back to a full size van if I needed more engine than available in a Suburban. In fact I've been toying with getting a 155" wheel base 1 ton commercial van with a big engine, opening windows in the curb side, and rear doors, and building it into a mini motor home, A/S TV, for my 27' Overlander. Guess I strayed a little off topic, but it would be silver.--Frank S
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:25 PM   #20
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Get Honda to build it for ya! IIRC everytime a new set of proposed CARB standards have come out Honda has always had a vehicle that could meet the proposed standards...NOW! Honda has always been on the ready edge of the clean air standards, with their CVCC engines in the mid to late 70's(without a catalytic converter) and one of the first to bring a hybrid to the mass market. They also had an automatic control system using video sensors that keyed off of the highway stripes...Unfortunately Honda doesn't seem to have a stake or interest in the diesel market.

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Old 04-24-2006, 05:27 PM   #21
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Hi--Back to topic 2007 Suburban. I looked very closely at the 2007 Tahoe, and from afar the Suburban at the Minneapolis Auto Show last month. Had several Tahoes which I climbed all over, and all under, and one Suburban on a raised rotating platform which I could view from six feet. They looked great, and I liked them, EXCEPT FOR THE 2nd SEAT. It is an electric motor controlled fold, and tumble forward seat, which when folded takes up more space than current, and leaves a very uneven floor not suitable for loading boxes of stuff on. I'm sure moms will like it, because they can control entry to the 3rd seat, without leaving the drivers seat. I don't like it, because I frequently fold down one or both sides of the 2nd seat to load in boxes or bags of stuff. Caution moms! One auto reviewer said, "the seat folds so fast its a human mouse trap". Think I'll stick with my 2001 Suburban longer than I thought.--Frank S
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Christ, this really is the 1970's all over again. History moves in spirals, not circles, but this one is coming really damn close. Between the rising fuel prices and the ever increasing emissions restrictions, causing the death of the big block again, I'd swear I was 4 again. Buy a Hybrid! Buy a Hybrid! Save the world! Who's getting rich this time, I wonder?

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Get Honda to build it for ya! IIRC everytime a new set of proposed CARB standards have come out Honda has always had a vehicle that could meet the proposed standards...NOW! Honda has always been on the ready edge of the clean air standards, with their CVCC engines in the mid to late 70's(without a catalytic converter) and one of the first to bring a hybrid to the mass market. They also had an automatic control system using video sensors that keyed off of the highway stripes...Unfortunately Honda doesn't seem to have a stake or interest in the diesel market.

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Have you SEEN what Honda has offered as a truck? How it got Truck of the year I will never understand. That thing is ugly beyond beleif... Even if they made a decent truck that was capable of towing I'm afraid it would be an eye sore.

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Have you SEEN what Honda has offered as a truck? How it got Truck of the year I will never understand. That thing is ugly beyond beleif... Even if they made a decent truck that was capable of towing I'm afraid it would be an eye sore.

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yep and it isn't a truck IMHO Here is my idea of a truck

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but why did you park on her foot?
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Aaron -

Love the truck!!!! But, if gas goes to $4 or $5 a gallon, it will be the proverbial albatross.... I'm afraid. Sad but true.... Still love! and will drive my HD2500 4x4....

Look for that euro price to become less ( MUCH less) of a differential in the coming time.

All it's going to take is one major pipeline to get a rupture or another refinery to go down.... and things will go to he**. Be sure NOT to quote me.

Even it if gas/deisel stays where it is currently, who believes that for a minute?, the prices for everything from Toilet paper to lumber to thumbtacks will be climbing - soon & rapidly!

ALL COSTS ROLL DOWNHILL to the CONSUMER!!!

Inflation at 3%???????? Yeah right! Alan Greenspan saw the future and .....

Sigh, future here I come - ready or not.

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ALL COSTS ROLL DOWNHILL to the CONSUMER!!!

Inflation at 3%???????? Yeah right! Alan Greenspan saw the future and .....

Sigh, future here I come - ready or not.

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I am a truckdriver and I can tell you that the trucking companies will definitely pass on the added fuel costs. My truck carries 240 gals of fuel x that by approx 3.05 gal. it is 732 bucks for a fill up.

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She wasn't moving fast enough Actually she was noticing that the hub cap on that side was different

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