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Old 04-20-2009, 12:01 AM   #57
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What excites me isn't necessarily whatI can afford

Every buying decison is dictated by many factors. I'd love to have a Ford F-550 in my driveway(won't fit in the garage), but I can't see the price difference 15-20K between the two as viable for me. The Tundra is rated to tow and haul way more than I'll ever ask it to. I'm pleased with my decision which was not taken lightly. I've taken the time to read all I can from Tundra owners and AS owners too.

I promise I won't haul sod, especially in Ohio! Steve
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Old 04-20-2009, 07:23 AM   #58
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I saw a Toyota hauling a small 5er a couple weeks ago. He was clearly overburdened, front end way up, rear end way down, moving VERY slowly on the interstate. This is not a job for a ½ ton. Any 1/2ton. That load of sod probably was not either. I am sure that yota is fine for a 23’ or a vintage unit. But anything bigger just is not suitable for a ½ ton. I t bewilders that some Folks believe these foreign trucks are anything more than that.
Is the new yota competitive to every other ½ ton out there? Yes, they all have a tow rating somewhere around 11k pounds and payloads around 1700#-1900#.

Is it anymore than all the others? No. Not in any way.


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Old 04-20-2009, 07:44 AM   #59
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Steve, I'm sure the Tundra will work for you. OhScottyOh has been towing a 27' with one and has had no problems. He lives on the Oregon coast too.
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:22 AM   #60
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I don't think anyone on this thread was recommending towing a fifth wheel with a Tundra, Bill. Nor do I think anyone has said the Tundra is a 3/4-ton truck. The original post was about using a Tundra to pull a 25' trailer weighing about 5,000 pounds dry... a situation where we've already walked through the math.

Given the track record of the Tundra and an objective analysis of the components, I think a person can make a reasonable argument that it is the best 1/2-ton truck on the market today. Does this mean it will do everything? Of course not... it just means that some pickup drivers have looked at the 1/2-ton trucks currently offered and found the Tundra best fits their needs (particularly with the 5.7l engine). I have enjoyed my Titan, but two towing weak points are the brakes and the rear differential. The Tundra has 14" rotors front; 13 9/6" rotors rear. This is pretty much what you'll find on 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. The rear differential on the Toyota compares with a Dana 70 where the Titan has a modified Dana 44. While I'm a relatively happy Titan owner, there's no doubt in my mind that the Tundra is a better built truck than the Titan for towing.

I think, Bill, that Tundra benefits from "brand loyalty." Of the "modern era" vehicles I have owned, the only one that comes close to Toyota in reliability and durability is Volvo. Given the woes of the American car makers, I'm guessing it's only a matter of time before the Hino division of Toyota makes a run at the 3/4 to 1-ton consumer market here.
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Old 04-20-2009, 11:03 AM   #61
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My first impression on finding this site was that it was very informative, and while at times that is still true I am seeing that there is much useless drivel and product bashing by many of the posters.Unfortunately that tends too ruin a good experience and put serious doubt on the validity and usefullness of this site and requires one to sift through all the B.S..Too bad!!
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Old 04-20-2009, 11:23 AM   #62
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Kim,

The site is very informative and a goldmine of information on Airstreams, particularly renovating vintage coaches. The vast majority of posters are polite, articulate and helpful. Yes, people do have some strong opinions on certain subjects. Tow vehicles are one of those subjects. Frankly, once you have chosen a tow vehicle you like, you might be best to simply avoid tow vehicle threads.

I grew up just south of the Canadian border in Montana. Perhaps I'm biased, but I don't remember our Canadian friends being quite so... invested, let's say, in vehicle opinions. There are times when the American love affair with the car can go a little "Fatal Attraction." I've seen grown men fighting like cats and dogs over Ford versus Chevy versus Dodge. I've seen people who have never owned or driven a particular vehicle holding forth on it as if they were reading from Moses' stone tablets. The simple fact of the matter is that there are all shapes and sizes of vehicles that can (and do) tow all shapes and sizes of Airstreams... safely. If a vehicle is under its GVWR towing a trailer under its GVWR and where everything is under the GCWR, well, you are generally legal. Once you are legal, the discussion is that of opinion and of comfort. Some folks feel perfectly fine towing at close the stated capacity. Others want 20% (or more) and every possible safety bell and whistle.

As with any Internet forum, Kim, you are going to find some unhelpful posts. With Airforums, I think the ratio of useful to unhelpful is much higher than on many sites. When it comes to the tow vehicle threads, I suggest you take the Monty Python and the Holy Grail approach...

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Old 04-20-2009, 11:28 AM   #63
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My first impression on finding this site was that it was very informative, and while at times that is still true I am seeing that there is much useless drivel and product bashing by many of the posters.Unfortunately that tends too ruin a good experience and put serious doubt on the validity and usefullness of this site and requires one to sift through all the B.S..Too bad!!
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Yes Kim, and that tends to be the nature of forums. Good info mixed in with bad.

Not to long ago a newbie came here for advice. He got a few quick replies to his post, took the info to heart and traded a perfectly, good, superior TV for a blinkity blank. Turns out it was not what he wanted nor was it that stable of a TV even though it was big, heavy, and with a large engine.

The guy ended up trading that in for yet another questionable vehicle and on he went.

It is ironic that in the end "after all the help for forum members" the guy 's 1st vehicle was probably the best choice and would have worked out just fine.
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What I find interesting here is that Steve has made his decision and we are all here like a bunch of grumpy old men bickering about who said what and my truck will run over your truck. I personally could care less at this point...I've given my best info that I can as have many of you.

It's getting close to time to move on folks. This thread has served it purpose and is now becoming more than the thread itself.

Of course this is my opinion, yours could and very well may vary.
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Old 04-20-2009, 12:09 PM   #65
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Thanks for the replies (posts #62,63,64).Perhaps I overeacted but thanks for understanding.I will now run...Fast as I can!
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Old 04-20-2009, 05:42 PM   #66
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Thanks for all the replies

I"m so glad and thankful that all of you took the time to share your considered opinions on this forum and in this thread particularly. When all was said and done, it did come down to brand loyalty, I bought my first Toyota in 1971, and have had them more or less ever since, and it also came down to what the primary use of the vehicle was going to be.

I figure I will tow only 20-25% of the time, and the rest of the time I need a utilitarian rig that will park easily, drive well, give relatively good mileage, and not ride like a buckboard. The new warranty is a bonus, as is the new car smell and peace of mind in owning a trouble free TV. I know that the "Big 3" offerings might satisfy those requirements also, but the Tundra I used to own might have done the job, and this new one definitly will.
It has 1650 payload capacity, and will tow 10,300 pounds. I don't see how I will be anywhere near its maximum capacity with a 25 foot Airstream with a GVWR of 7000 pounds. Whether I'm right or wrong, I promise to share my experiences on this forum. I'm old enough to not mind "eating a bit of crow" if I'm wrong. Hell, it's how the rest of us learn. If I'm right in my choice, I have bought the truck I really wanted and it gets the job done.

The replies I received from the Tundra forum guys who already tow with the 5.7 were overwhelmingly positive and not one of them said "don't do it." Many of them were towing much heavier rigs than I plan to tow.

Do I need a 3/4 or 1 ton rig to tow 7000 pounds? Probably not. Would it be nice to have the "extra" oomph? Sure, but in the meantime I'm driving a civilized riding double cab truck with a turning radius smaller than the 2005, and with 100 more HP, all the while getting BETTER gas mileage because of the 6 speed tranny, not to mention safety upgrades like 4WD the trade in was 2, limited slip, stability and traction control, and front, side, and rollover airbags not even offered in the 2005, at an out the door price of less than what I paid for the 2005 in 2005. To top it all off, and most important to beautiful wife, is that I'm happy, and the new truck is pretty(her words, not mine. I drive a manly truck, not a pretty one.) The new color choice, Pyrite Mica will complement the AS well too. Again thanks for your advice. I'll let you know real soon how she handles the AS towing duty.
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Pyrite Mica? What color is that to a man? White?

We have a blue one, have no idea what Toyota calls it.

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Sort of darker silver, brownish bronze, Like beautiful wife say's, "it's really pretty." I'll post some pics if someone will help me do it. Steve
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