Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 07-13-2007, 05:18 PM   #1
Rivet Master
 
Denis4x4's Avatar
 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Currently Looking...
Durango , Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,111
1/2 Ton Diesels in the Wings

Yesterday's SEMA bulletin:



MORE DIESELS TO HIT THE MARKET


According to AutoWeek, Detroit’s automakers are working quickly to install fuel-saving diesel engines in their light trucks. And Nissan and Toyota may join them as well. Diesels have been common in the domestic automakers’ heavy-duty pickups, but as fuel economy concerns grow, as well as pressures form the competition, we may start seeing them in the light-duty trucks as well.
According to AutoWeek, Ford Motor Co. will likely be the first to market when it puts a diesel in the F-150 pickup in 2009. In May, General Motors announced its plans for a 4.5L Duramax diesel to be used in its light-duty pickups. Some news reports have indicated that Nissan is planning a diesel for the Titan, while Toyota has indicated it is looking into the possibility of a diesel for the Tundra.
Diesel engines typically boost fuel economy by 25%–30%. They are attractive for consumers who tow heavy loads, and they also have a higher resale value. A Dodge Ram 1500 pickup with a diesel should see improved fuel economy of 19.5 mpg city/25 mpg highway, compared to the gasoline-powered version with 15 mpg city/19 mpg highway. A Hummer H2 powered with a diesel engine could get 16 mpg or more on the highway, compared to the current model, which gets 13 to 14 mph on the highway.
Ford’s diesel plans include a light-duty diesel for the F-150 and possibly the Expedition in 2009. This 4.4L engine will be a larger version of the 3.6L turbocharged V8 used in the European-market Land Rover Range Rovers. “Our 30 years of truck leadership is founded on having the most capable and innovative trucks our there,” says Wes Sherwood of Ford.
Earlier this year, Chrysler confirmed that it will use at least one new engine from Cummins Inc. in the Dodge Ram 1500 pickup. This will be a 4.2L V6 that Cummins developed with the United States Department of Energy. According to AutoWeek, the early test version of this diesel pushed out 190 hp and 570 lb.-ft. of torque.
The diesels have been popular and profitable for the Detroit 3. Roughly 40% of the 796,000 Ford F-Series trucks sold in the United States last year were diesel-powered. The sales of GM’s heavy-duty Silverado and Sierra diesels are capped at around 200,000 units annually due to production restraints at the plant in Moraine, Ohio. Dodge sold about 150,000 heavy-duty Ram pickups equipped with the Cummins diesel in 2006.
A diesel will cost a consumer about $6,660 more than a comparable gasoline engine. But AutoWeek says that a study by the Martec Group shows that after 4.5 years of ownership, a diesel truck is worth $4,700 more than a gasoline-powered truck. After those 4.5 years, a diesel owner will have spent about $4,200 less on fuel.
In summary, the following are expected to hit the market in future:
  • Ford—4.4L turbocharged V8 for F-150 and possibly Expedition in 2009
  • Dodge—4.2L turbocharged V6 for Ram 1500 in 2010
  • GM—4.5L turbocharged V8 for Silverado/Sierra pickups and Hummer H2 in 2010
  • Nissan—Not definite. Might use V6 or V8 diesel in Titan (from International Truck and Engine Corp.) in 2010
  • Toyota—Not definite. Currently working with Isuzu to develop diesels; might see a diesel in Tundra in 2010
Source: Truett, Richard. (July 2, 2007). “Driven to Diesels: Automakers Scramble to Offer Diesels in Light-Duty Trucks.” AutoWeek. Retrieved July 2, 2007, from www.autoweek.com.
__________________

__________________
Denis4x4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2007, 06:19 PM   #2
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,334
Been talking a bit about this very topic here:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...-gm-34163.html
__________________

__________________
Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq and millions of others are by far the most popular with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form. -NY Times 11/91
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2007, 06:38 PM   #3
Rivet Master
 
davidz71's Avatar
 
1986 25' Sovereign
Southern Middle , Tennessee
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,148
Images: 23
While the 4.5 diesel may be a great addition in 1/2 ton truck for towing power, I hope people don't forget that the suspension and braking system still have to be considered when towing. The mileage gains with smaller trailers would be really nice especially if the price of diesel would come down.
__________________
Craig

AIR #0078
'01 2500hd ext. cab, 8.1 litre gas, 5 sp. Allison auto
3.73 rear end
Mag-Hytec rear diff cover
Amsoil Dual by-pass oil filtration system
Amsoil synthetics all around
265 watt AM Solar, Inc. system
davidz71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2007, 08:43 AM   #4
Naysayer
 
Boondocker's Avatar

 
1968 24' Tradewind
Louisville , earth
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,635
Images: 7
Send a message via Yahoo to Boondocker
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidz71
While the 4.5 diesel may be a great addition in 1/2 ton truck for towing power, I hope people don't forget that the suspension and braking system still have to be considered when towing. The mileage gains with smaller trailers would be really nice especially if the price of diesel would come down.
Good point David. I am happy with my half ton as a tow vehicle with the exception of power. On the other hand, after thinking about this after seeing several post yesterday about diesel half tons, what I am really hoping for is for the new trucks to be popular enough to result in a bunch of used 3/4 ton diesels hitting the market so I could afford one of those... I don't know if that will happen or not but you can bet I won't be buying one of the half tons until the manufactures have several years to work out the glitches.
__________________
Rodney

Visit my photography page
and the
Favorite camp grounds project map
My Blog

(The artist formerly known as General Disarray)

Boondocker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2007, 09:01 AM   #5
Rivet Master
 
davidz71's Avatar
 
1986 25' Sovereign
Southern Middle , Tennessee
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,148
Images: 23
I have been lucky with my '01 Chevy 2500hd. First year production with no problems in engine/transmission combination and the only warranty work done was an A/C vent louver which kept falling out. The vent was replaced and with 68,000 miles she keeps right on purring.

I wonder if they will put slightly larger brakes in the 1/2 tons equipped with diesels? It would be the smart thing to do considering what they might be used for.
__________________
Craig

AIR #0078
'01 2500hd ext. cab, 8.1 litre gas, 5 sp. Allison auto
3.73 rear end
Mag-Hytec rear diff cover
Amsoil Dual by-pass oil filtration system
Amsoil synthetics all around
265 watt AM Solar, Inc. system
davidz71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2007, 09:07 AM   #6
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,334
Also, buying pre-owned after they all hit the market could also provide access to buyers that might normally shy away from a new one.

The brake comments are right on!
__________________
Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq and millions of others are by far the most popular with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form. -NY Times 11/91
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2007, 08:19 PM   #7
Vintage Kin
 
slowmover's Avatar
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,585
Images: 1
For those not full-timing, the 1/2T diesel makes sense. Brakes can be upgraded, but a full-floating axle is harder to do. Still, at 8,000-lbs or less it is very reasonable.
__________________
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2007, 08:25 PM   #8
Rivet Master
 
2007 25' Classic
Hydes
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 705
As Martha would say 'it's a good thing". Since Ford owns Land Rover now, bring back the Defender 90, 110 and High Capacity Crew Cab Pick-up in diesel.
__________________
craftsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2007, 12:07 PM   #9
2 Rivet Member
 
2007 16' International CCD
Los Angeles , California
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by craftsman
As Martha would say 'it's a good thing". Since Ford owns Land Rover now, bring back the Defender 90, 110 and High Capacity Crew Cab Pick-up in diesel.
They all exist, but not in the US.
__________________
sos10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2007, 02:41 PM   #10
Moderator
 
moosetags's Avatar

 
2015 25' FB Flying Cloud
2012 23' FB Flying Cloud
2005 25' Safari
Santa Rosa Beach , Florida
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 10,762
Images: 5
Has anyone heard how much this new small diesel option will cost?
__________________

__________________
SuEllyn & Brian McCabe
WBCCI #3628 -- AIR #14872 -- TAC #FL-7
2015 FC 25' FB (Lucy) with HAHA
2005 Suburban 2500 Quadrasteer (Olivia) & 2018 Silverado 2500 (Lillian)
moosetags is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
1/2 ton


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hmmm... 2003 Chevy 1/2 ton burban & 27' Safari docbluedevil Tow Vehicles 9 08-22-2011 09:36 AM
Surburban 1/2 ton as a Tow Vehicle dmreilly10000 Tow Vehicles 3 12-10-2003 11:45 AM
1/2 Ton Truck Tow Capacity. Real? CanoeStream Tow Vehicles 1 11-02-2003 03:36 PM
Pulling a Bambi with a Ranger? wallycox Tow Vehicles 42 10-17-2002 02:29 PM
Retrofitting Old Propane Tanks (non-opd) leslie LP Gas, Piping, Tanks & Regulators 18 09-20-2002 11:24 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:36 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.