1/2 ton diesel owners rejoice!

[Isuzusweet]

Your choices for a full size 1/2 ton turbo diesel just got bigger than just Dodge.

The long-awaited light-duty turbodiesel V6 arrives for 2018, but buyers will still have to wait a little longer for it. This 3.0-liter Ford-developed diesel won't be available until summer of 2018, while the rest of the revamped F-150s will go on sale in the fall of this year. Ford is providing precious few details on the F-150's Power Stroke, which is a version of the Lion diesel it builds for PSA and Jaguar Land Rover products, but we can get an idea of the kind of output it will offer from other applications – in Range Rovers, the 3.0-liter twin-turbo diesel makes 254 horsepower and 440 pound-feet of torque, so figure at least that much for the F-150's version.

We do know that the diesel will come with the 10-speed automatic transmission, and Ford claims the 2018 truck will have the best tow ratings of any F-150 yet. We have a hunch they'll be achieved with the Power Stroke. The Power Stroke F-150 should be the most efficient in the lineup, beating the current 2.7 EcoBoost's maximum 26-mpg highway number. The new diesel is the F-150's first and will compete directly with the Ram 1500's EcoDiesel V6, which makes 240 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque and maxes out at 29 mpg highway.

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/01/08/2...troke-details/

Cheers
Tony

[AWCHIEF]

Maybe the mods can combine the threads about this.

[Countryboy59]

Wow 254 horsepower! I would have to wait at the top of the on-ramp until it's clear to merge.

[slowmover]

Originally Posted by Countryboy59

Wow 254 horsepower! I would have to wait at the top of the on-ramp until it's clear to merge.

More experience and you won't.

I merge a half dozen times daily into the Interstate at 30-45/mph. And a far worse power to weight ratio.

250 rear wheel HP was about what the big block gassers of the sixties and early seventies could muster. It's not much different than my TD one ton, either.

Power isn't the problem.

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by slowmover

More experience and you won't.

I merge a half dozen times daily into the Interstate at 30-45/mph. And a far worse power to weight ratio.

250 rear wheel HP was about what the big block gassers of the sixties and early seventies could muster. It's not much different than my TD one ton, either.

Power isn't the problem.

Compared the EcoDiesel and the Hemi V8 in both the Grand Cherokee and Pickup, merged with both. No comparison.

[Isuzusweet]

Based on VW's, and now Fiat/ Chrysler's problems meeting emission requirements with their 3.0l turbo diesels, and I have no doubt, more to come; buyers may want to hold off on buying this Ford until given the okay by the university kids that broke the story; or you could be in for trouble.

Cheers
Tony

[KWN306]

Originally Posted by Countryboy59

Wow 254 horsepower! I would have to wait at the top of the on-ramp until it's clear to merge.

My 2000 Dodge Cummins diesel (stock) was rated at 235 hp and 395 # of TQ and it pulled like a freight train. Did the Super Chips mod and set it on tow all the time and I never had an issue pulling our 36' 5th wheel any where. The Super Chips boosted the HP by 60 and the TQ by over 100. HP doesn't move anything TQ does.

[gwg]

I have Range Rover with this engine, it pulls well with the torque.
But I tow the Classic with a RAM 3500 6.7 Cummins...

[greenflag]

Motorweek report said to see it in the spring 2018. Maybe it will come before summer.
BTW, Torque moves mass not horsepower.

[USAtraveler]

HP is highly over-rated, at least for a tow vehicle. You need torque to move heavy loads. Some stationary engines, for example, have HP ratings in no more than double digits, but are capable of turning massive flywheels and powering huge machines than no high-revving 600 hp gas engine could begin to budge.

[dkottum]

I have never used all the throttle on our EcoDiesel/Airstream to merge. The torque comes on at low rpm and the transmission finds a perfect selection from eight gears to deliver it to the drive axle.

One of the many things we like about the vehicle.

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by USAtraveler

HP is highly over-rated, at least for a tow vehicle. You need torque to move heavy loads. Some stationary engines, for example, have HP ratings in no more than double digits, but are capable of turning massive flywheels and powering huge machines than no high-revving 600 hp gas engine could begin to budge.

Torque is force applied over a distance. It's a force. Horsepower is a measure of work done per unit time. They are two different things. One is NOT "better" than the other. Electric motors deliver infinite torque at almost zero rpm. Combustion engines need to be moving at a speed in the power band to do work. Diesels have a longer stroke and higher combustion pressure resulting in higher torque at lower rpm. You can spin that giant flywheel as long as you have the torque to overcome inertia. It takes very little horsepower to turn a flywheel once moving.
Force will start a heavy load moving. To move it a distance requires a rate; hence the term horsepower. The flywheel will eventually lose its kinetic energy if the system is doing actual work, unless the drive system has enough horsepower to turn the flywheel on its bearings AND do the work required by the load.

The EcoDiesel I drove would spin the tires at the touch of the gas and had great acceleration to 60 or so. But freeways around here run 70-80 so I need the horsepower to pull the weight and accelerate. Being good from a dead stop just ain't gonna cut it. Don't get me wrong, that ram was a NICE truck.

[boltonfish]

Just traded my work horse '03 Ford f250 short bed 5.0 diesel in on a fancy new SUV that I hope to tow a 23' AS with someday soon. I never had any issues with that engine though I know some did. I bought this new RR Sport with the diesel v6 (extra duty + tow package) because of the engine, the torque, and the combination of really nice car and monster off road capability (fishing & photography). I used to tow a 19' Nash behind my truck (the F250 didn't even know it was there...seriously).

Anyone else actually towing an AS with a Range Rover diesel yet?

[gypsydad]

Guess I don't get the diesel advantage your "rejoicing" about in 1/2T? The Dodge Echo-diesel and the Nissan both offer this option today, if you want a diesel; both have a track record now and they are not slouches...but, what is wrong with gas?? Ford, GM, and Dodge also offer great gas powered options today, with plenty torque/HP good MPG for most AS's up to perhaps 28'+ models; and the gas models also have lower maintenance and fuel costs. So, is the value in "engine longevity", or is it getting to use DFT, the smell/mess of diesel fuel, or what is it; enlighten us so we can all "rejoice"? (tongue in cheek here)

[joshjack]

So there are already more light truck diesel options than "just dodge". Firstly there's the new Nissan with a Cummins. Then you could also throw in the Chevy Colorado diesel. So this news is a little meh.

[Alluminati]

There has been diesel Tundra speculation for a LONG time. 2017 may be the year...

But then, the Tundra isn't really a 1/2 ton PU. In certain trim, you can get over 2,000 lb payload.

[AWCHIEF]

Originally Posted by boltonfish

Just traded my work horse '03 Ford f250 short bed 5.0 diesel in on a fancy new SUV that I hope to tow a 23' AS with someday soon. I never had any issues with that engine though I know some did. I bought this new RR Sport with the diesel v6 (extra duty + tow package) because of the engine, the torque, and the combination of really nice car and monster off road capability (fishing & photography). I used to tow a 19' Nash behind my truck (the F250 didn't even know it was there...seriously).

Anyone else actually towing an AS with a Range Rover diesel yet?

Nice vehicle. I have wanted another Rover for a while. My only issue with the Rover is I am going to be needing at least 1000 pound tongue capability in the near future, hopefully. The Rovers are about 300 + pounds below that.

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by gypsydad

Guess I don't get the diesel advantage your "rejoicing" about in 1/2T? The Dodge Echo-diesel and the Nissan both offer this option today...

Yeah but that doesn't help when you're shopping for a Ford.

[Dexterpix]

I hope they offer it with an "engine brake" or like the Ram offering it will lack a major advantage of buying a diesel. Still won't change the payload numbers of a 1/2 ton. (might lower it as the diesel will likely weight more that the gas options)

Joe D

[AWCHIEF]

Originally Posted by joshjack

So there are already more light truck diesel options than "just dodge". Firstly there's the new Nissan with a Cummins. Then you could also throw in the Chevy Colorado diesel. So this news is a little meh.

But big news for Ford fans.