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Old 08-25-2007, 10:36 AM   #29
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Went looking a bit more last night, ended up at a Chrysler/Dodge dealer. Was going to drive a Durango, but decided against it due to the high price and smaller size. The Durango was as much as the Suburban/Expedition. Then, on a suggestion of the sales person, drove a 08 long bed pickup with a Cummins.
Wow- what an incredible powertrain! Wow -what a terrible vehicle to drive. Most definitely rides like a truck. 3/4 ton pickups are definitely not for me.
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OK UWE..

I have the latest specs in front of me for the two vehicles. Aug 07 Consumers Mag has the info.

From 60 to 0 braking for the Ex is 154', the Burb.. 147'

1/4 mile times are equal at 16.9 sec.

Emergency Handling both rated fair... and routine handling both were good.

Over all miles / gal.... 13 for the Ex and 14 for the Burb.

Payload for Ex is 1,570 and 1,460 for the Burb.

There are more specs here, just let me know what you need and I will forward. Hope this helps.



Foot note (as a comparision)... The September issue of the Mag reviewed the popular pick up trucks.

The emergency handling on all pickups listed were not as good as the SUV's??????? They were only rated as fair and the Ford 250 was rated poor.

Braking with the Pick ups was also rated as only fair, across the board, with the Chev silverado 2500 and the Dodge Ram 2500 getting the Poor rating.

!/4 mile times for the trucks were from 15.3 (tundra) to 17.6 (Ford F-250)
Thank you Road Ruler. I felt that the brakes on teh Suburban and Expedition were very responsive and had excellent initial bite. The Ram 2500 felt squishy, when compared to the SUV's.
Thanks for helping with the research.
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Old 08-25-2007, 10:41 AM   #31
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I hope that the insurance just fixes my Suburban. (doubtful) This truck shopping thing makes my head spin. My heart is not really into a truck or SUV in the first place, so doing this is like shopping for a wheelbarrow, only with 48 months of big payments.
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Went looking a bit more last night, ended up at a Chrysler/Dodge dealer. Was going to drive a Durango, but decided against it due to the high price and smaller size. The Durango was as much as the Suburban/Expedition. Then, on a suggestion of the sales person, drove a 08 long bed pickup with a Cummins.
Wow- what an incredible powertrain! Wow -what a terrible vehicle to drive. Most definitely rides like a truck. 3/4 ton pickups are definitely not for me.
I know you're not looking for a 3/4 pickup but while you're at the Ford dealer I would suggest taking a spin in the new 2008 F250 Super Duty with their new diesel. Test drive one with the Lariat package.
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Old 08-25-2007, 08:31 PM   #34
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Of the original two you mentioned, I'd definitely go with the Chevy. They don't spit spark plugs out.

Look into it. Triton engines don't have enough spark plug threads.

I had an Excursion. It pulled fantastically with the V-10. I got 9mpg towing a 9000lb trailer with it, and would get 15-16 empty. Vehicle was very nice. Then at 36,348 miles, it blew a plug. I had purchased additional powertrain warranty of 7 year 100,000 miles. Ford wouldn't cover it because "it was not due to the failure of an internally lubricated part."

An Excursion with the diesel would be a great choice.

I fixed the Excursion myself (Timesert makes a kit for this repair because so many of them blow up) and traded it on my Ram 4-door long bed with Cummins. I think it rides fine. But the 4-door long bed rode WAY better than the 4-door short bed. It is a real truck and is sprung heavily, but with the super long wheelbase it rides pretty well. The Cummins drivetrain is, as you said, superb. No problems at all. I've not hit a hill yet that I cannot accelerate up, and that's pulling a 34' Avion which weighs more than my Excella.

I think Ford has the bugs out of the powerstroke now. A diesel Excursion might be the way to go for you.

But that being said, I had an '86 Suburban a few cars back and that is still one of my favorite vehicles of all time. That old truck would do anything I asked of it. Rust finally got it.

Best of luck
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Uwe,

Have you considered a van? My '06 Express (1/2 ton+) with 5.3 3.73HD is rated at 7200 lbs. Pulls awesome with plenty of power (300+ HP) and room for all of us and our gear (wife, 3 kids, and 2 dogs). Same architecture as suburban, only it is forward controls with alot more room.
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One more suggestion.
Test drive an 07 Tundra. It's a great ride and plenty of power for your TT.
The CrewMax has the biggest back seat area I have seen yet.
I am very close to trading in my 03 Tundra for one of these.
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My wife refused to drive my 2006 Chevy diesel 3/4 unit. So we went shopping for a vehicle she would drive. We wound up with the 2007 Expedition EL. Freeway driving from Utah to Colorado saw 21-22 MPH. Pulling our 25' Classic drops it down to around 10. As others have mentioned the fold down 3rd row seatrs are a benefit. And we have had occaision to use all of the seating capacity available. ?And it sure beats removing the third row seat to get more room.
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Uwe,

Have you considered a van? My '06 Express (1/2 ton+) with 5.3 3.73HD is rated at 7200 lbs. Pulls awesome with plenty of power (300+ HP) and room for all of us and our gear (wife, 3 kids, and 2 dogs). Same architecture as suburban, only it is forward controls with alot more room.
What kind of mileage are you getting? I'd be interested in both towing mileage and solo.
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My wife refused to drive my 2006 Chevy diesel 3/4 unit. So we went shopping for a vehicle she would drive. We wound up with the 2007 Expedition EL. Freeway driving from Utah to Colorado saw 21-22 MPH. Pulling our 25' Classic drops it down to around 10. As others have mentioned the fold down 3rd row seatrs are a benefit. And we have had occaision to use all of the seating capacity available. ?And it sure beats removing the third row seat to get more room.
Sounds like you're getting good mileage with the EL. Saw a fully loaded Limited today, a 2007 model, for just over $ 35k. It was a dealer demo, with 4000mls on it.
But - I am still waiting for word from the insurance.
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One more suggestion.
Test drive an 07 Tundra. It's a great ride and plenty of power for your TT.
The CrewMax has the biggest back seat area I have seen yet.
I am very close to trading in my 03 Tundra for one of these.
Not a big Toyota fan. Nothing personal...
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Of the original two you mentioned, I'd definitely go with the Chevy. They don't spit spark plugs out.

Look into it. Triton engines don't have enough spark plug threads.

I had an Excursion. It pulled fantastically with the V-10. I got 9mpg towing a 9000lb trailer with it, and would get 15-16 empty. Vehicle was very nice. Then at 36,348 miles, it blew a plug. I had purchased additional powertrain warranty of 7 year 100,000 miles. Ford wouldn't cover it because "it was not due to the failure of an internally lubricated part."

An Excursion with the diesel would be a great choice.

I fixed the Excursion myself (Timesert makes a kit for this repair because so many of them blow up) and traded it on my Ram 4-door long bed with Cummins. I think it rides fine. But the 4-door long bed rode WAY better than the 4-door short bed. It is a real truck and is sprung heavily, but with the super long wheelbase it rides pretty well. The Cummins drivetrain is, as you said, superb. No problems at all. I've not hit a hill yet that I cannot accelerate up, and that's pulling a 34' Avion which weighs more than my Excella.

I think Ford has the bugs out of the powerstroke now. A diesel Excursion might be the way to go for you.

But that being said, I had an '86 Suburban a few cars back and that is still one of my favorite vehicles of all time. That old truck would do anything I asked of it. Rust finally got it.

Best of luck
I wonder if the spark plug thread issue is still present in the 07's with the 3-valve heads? Or were they all 3-valve heads?
I hear you on the Suburban, mine was fantastic, if not for the lousy brakes. Of course that one flaw is a large part of it's demise...it simply would not stop, no brake bite when I needed it most.
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I know you're not looking for a 3/4 pickup but while you're at the Ford dealer I would suggest taking a spin in the new 2008 F250 Super Duty with their new diesel. Test drive one with the Lariat package.
Tried that - my butt-o-meter reported the same harsh ride, perhaps a bit more rattly than the Dodge Diesel I tried. But then, I am sort of picky, and not much of a truck guy. The new look of the F250's and F350's does nothing for me, either. Too industrial.
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