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Old 08-24-2007, 08:09 AM   #15
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If it is killer brakes you desire you may be looking in the wrong place. If you go to the link below and scroll to the bottom it compares the stopping distances of various SUV's. By comparision the burb isn't that great.

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Old 08-24-2007, 08:36 AM   #16
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If it is killer brakes you desire you may be looking in the wrong place. If you go to the link below and scroll to the bottom it compares the stopping distances of various SUV's. By comparision the burb isn't that great.

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Looks like all the data was compiled up to 1996. I am looking at 2007/2008 vehicles.
Thanks, though.
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Old 08-24-2007, 08:46 AM   #17
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1996 ?? They list an Olds Bravada. Did they make the Olds back then?
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for what it's worth- the bourbon's got significantly more storage behind rear bench.
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1996 ?? They list an Olds Bravada. Did they make the Olds back then?
The dates vary on the charts, the newest I can find is 1999.
Neither of the two vehicles in question are presented.
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for what it's worth- the bourbon's got significantly more storage behind rear bench.
The Suburban does have more storage overall. 7cubic feet, according to the literature. But you have to remove 100lbs of 3rd row seat to get that. The Expedition's 3rd row seats fold down into the floor.
Behind the 3rd row, the Suburban has 3 more cubic feet of room.
The Suburban is also 400lbs lighter, in 4WD trim, than the Expedition EL in 4WD trim.
Having driven both, the Expedition has a distinctly peppier feel to it, and much better seats, at least for my size and weight. I wish I could tow with both of them to really see and feel the difference.
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Wow, Uwe........hope your OK after your 'incident'

Anyway, the Sprinters are rated at 5000 lb for towing unless you get a new '07 3500 dually, which goes up to 7500lb. Of course, the interior load capacity on this is HUGE........

This vehicle GVW is 11,000 with the van netting at about 6K, giving you a 5000 lb load capacity in addition to the 7500lb towing. I'm seriously thinking of going this route when I get a new Sprinter (and of course.... a larger trailer ).

I get 20-22 with a 2500 lb load in my current Sprinter on a regular basis, and 14-17 when towing the 4000lb 19CCD from FL to OR and back each year. Lately, the mileage has increased to 22-23mpg with the same load.....have no idea why .
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Old 08-24-2007, 10:32 AM   #22
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Renting them and trying them out is a good suggestion if you have access to them. I purchased my wife an '07 Expedition Limited standard length in March of this year and she loves it. I haven't driven it too much except little short trips around town on weekends and two 800+ round trips without the Airstream. I have nothing to compare with the Suburban even though I do like its looks.

The Armada and Expedition have pretty much the same size engine and roughly the same length wheel base. Depending on EL vs. standard you will either be slightly longer or slightly shorter than the Armada with the Expedition. Rich Lhur, publisher of Airstream Life, has an Airstream identical to mine and he tows with an Armada. He felt it to be slightly under the task so he switched to a Hensley Arrow Hitch and is able to have a stable tow with it now at approximately 65 MPH.

Our Expedition has the heavy duty towing package on it, but I am not sure if we will ever tow with it. I will need to get mirror extensions and a brake controller and be set if the receiver lines up with the hitch head I have now and keeps the trailer level. If not, towing would still be a minor expense to make it ready. However, I have an F-250 PSD that gets better fuel economy than the Expedition will and has more than enough power, plus it has the tow command with built in brake controller and Ford's extension mirrors so I don't see a real desire to tow with the Expedition any time soon.

I do, however, like the fold flat third row seats in the Expedition. There are other features I like about it, too, but the third row seat is something we seldom use so it's nice to have when we need it and nice to have it out of the way when we don't. For a daily driver, my wife is very happy with her second Expedition. And as they say, "if momma is happy, everybody's happy."
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Old 08-24-2007, 10:51 AM   #23
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Anyone tow with either an 07 or 08 Suburban with the 5.3l engine?
How about the Ford Expedition EL, seems to have abetter pwoerband than the Suburban, and 6-speed automatic.
I crashed my 97 Suburban last niht, andit might well be a total loss. The two vehicles above seem to make the most sense to me as a replacement.
My preference is 1/2 ton, and not a pickup.
I have a 95 Expedition that I tow my 28' Ambassador. The trailer weighs around 4000 empty. I have the 300hp 5.4L and it handles the load quite well even the hills here in AZ don't seem to be a real issue. I get between 13-14 mpg while towing.
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Wow, Uwe........hope your OK after your 'incident'

Anyway, the Sprinters are rated at 5000 lb for towing unless you get a new '07 3500 dually, which goes up to 7500lb. Of course, the interior load capacity on this is HUGE........

This vehicle GVW is 11,000 with the van netting at about 6K, giving you a 5000 lb load capacity in addition to the 7500lb towing. I'm seriously thinking of going this route when I get a new Sprinter (and of course.... a larger trailer ).

I get 20-22 with a 2500 lb load in my current Sprinter on a regular basis, and 14-17 when towing the 4000lb 19CCD from FL to OR and back each year. Lately, the mileage has increased to 22-23mpg with the same load.....have no idea why .
The 3500 Dually is abouot the same price as a Suburban, with the Diesel engine. However, that's a bare boe cargo van.
They had only gasoline powered Sprinters on the lot, though. There was a large disocunt on the window sticker for the gasoline engine, like $ 1400.00 or so. I would want the Diesel. But, i am afraid that the tow capacity is under the actual weight of my trailer. Might not be ideal.
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Expedition for me, please

Hi Uwe,

A man after my own heart--already deciding on his next vehicle! I hope you are alright though. That is the most important thing. I can't speak for the new Expeditions, but we love our '99. It has the 300 Pony 5.4L. I have hauled construction equipment weighing 5,500 Lbs and it does great. Going from 50 to 70 MPH on the freeway is not a problem. I have driven Chevys and have not had the same power response. We haul our AS with it (3500 Lbs loaded with our gear). I don't even now that the trailer is behind me, even going 60 up Oregon's costal mountains. Definitely spend the $200 to get airbags though--a little nicer ride.

However, the brakes have never been as good as on any import I have owned. My grandpa tows his '69 overlander all over the country with his Toyoter Tundra. He thinks it does well. Hope this helps with your decision.

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Anyone tow with either an 07 or 08 Suburban with the 5.3l engine?
How about the Ford Expedition EL, seems to have abetter pwoerband than the Suburban, and 6-speed automatic.
I crashed my 97 Suburban last niht, andit might well be a total loss. The two vehicles above seem to make the most sense to me as a replacement.
My preference is 1/2 ton, and not a pickup.
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OK UWE..

I have the latest specs in front of me for the two vehicles. Aug 07 Consumers Mag has the info.

From 60 to 0 braking for the Ex is 154', the Burb.. 147'

1/4 mile times are equal at 16.9 sec.

Emergency Handling both rated fair... and routine handling both were good.

Over all miles / gal.... 13 for the Ex and 14 for the Burb.

Payload for Ex is 1,570 and 1,460 for the Burb.

There are more specs here, just let me know what you need and I will forward. Hope this helps.



Foot note (as a comparision)... The September issue of the Mag reviewed the popular pick up trucks.

The emergency handling on all pickups listed were not as good as the SUV's??????? They were only rated as fair and the Ford 250 was rated poor.

Braking with the Pick ups was also rated as only fair, across the board, with the Chev silverado 2500 and the Dodge Ram 2500 getting the Poor rating.

!/4 mile times for the trucks were from 15.3 (tundra) to 17.6 (Ford F-250)
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Old 08-24-2007, 06:21 PM   #28
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Brother Uwe,

Although I am biased toward Ford ( I owned a 2002 Expy and had nothing but trouble free traveling ), I believe it comes down to personal tastes and habits.

The Expy and the Burb 1/2 tons will handle your Overlander just fine. The transmission in the Expy is better due to a wider range of gears (6 spd vs 4 spd ), thus improving any moumtain exercises. The Burb has towing mirrors available for the 3/4 ton version, don't know, but they may also be available for the 1500, or at least maybe retrofitable. The Expy has that great folding 3rd row seat, which is great for guys who load up the rear and don't want to be hauling the seat in and out. ( I have heard that you are a loader ). The Expy and Burb have available rear cameras, great for hitching up without your brother's help.

I have driven both 2007 1/2 ton models and the Burb 3/4 ton, my opinion of ride and driving comfort leans toward the Expy.

Ford has 0% financing for 36 months until 9/4, and the Burb has $3000 cash incentives beyond the deal you can make with the dealer. You should be able to start at invoice and go down from there. Rumor has it that the Burb has a huge additional dealer holdback, possibly as high as $4000. I would take either vehicle, both are strong contendors, the deal being the deciding factor. Shoot for $3000 to $4000 off invoice, cause everybody knows that invoice is a phantom number anyway.

Good luck and pick a color I like, nothing to dark, gets dirty too fast when you are boondocking with Goin camping.

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