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Old 10-10-2007, 07:36 AM   #15
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I have an '06 Safari 25FB and an '06 GMC 2500 crewcab with the 6.0 Vortec gas engine. Ran the combo over the scales at the co-op and and the GCW was 12,450 with a full tank of gas and no water or waste in the trailer. Just returned from SLC and mileage was 11.5 to 12 MPG and gas was a dime a gallon cheaper than diesel. I can get 15.5-16.5 MPG driving carefully.

Unless I'm heading south, when I leave the house my options are a couple of 10,000 foot passes and a "little" one at 9,000 feet. I can't even imagine having a 1/2 ton TV.

One other thing; until the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) comes up with a set of standards (which they are working on) for measuring towing capacity specs, the numbers currently out there for advertising purposes only.
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Old 10-10-2007, 07:39 AM   #16
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Then going up a hill the thing would down shift until you were finally going up a hill at 30mph.
I remember it well! The first shift down would be from 5th to 3rd. The high revs were a pain to hear. Bummah...
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Old 10-10-2007, 08:09 AM   #17
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I will second what BillTex said. We have a 2005 Safari 25' FB. Our primary TV is a 2005 Suburban 2500 4x4x4 (3/4 ton). We have done over 20,000 miles including an extensive tour of the Rockies. This vehicle does the job in all circumstances. We also have a 2004 Tahoe (1/2 ton) that we have used to tow the Airstream a couple of times. The Tahoe struggles to pull the Airstream. The experience was stressful at best. Remember that an insufficient tow vehicle is the primary cause of a perfectly good Airatream becoming a very expensive pieces of yard art.

The new Tundra looks beefy, but its wheels have only five lug nuts. They don't even look like truck wheels, and it stands out like a sore thumb. This feature make this big truck look like a big phony.

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Old 10-10-2007, 09:07 AM   #18
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Yep...been there.
I won't tell you to get a 1 ton to tow a Bambi, but when you hit 25' (or over 6000#) it's time to step up.
You are lucky, you are in the market, and don't have to live with what you already own. Make the right (safe) decision...

You may also do a search for some recent mishaps involving under gunned TV's. Nobody was killed...fortunately. Read those posts, look at the pics. I think you'll know what to buy.
I like to pack up and head out with a minimal amount of worries. A proper truck puts me at ease.

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Old 10-10-2007, 09:25 AM   #19
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This is my opinion of the 2007 5.7 Tundra. It is the perfect TV for me. I have a 75 TW, 25 feet and around 5000 pounds loaded. I just got back from the Balloon Fiesta, 900 miles and lots of big hills. I averaged 12.8 MPG which would have been alot better, but I averaged 70 MPH on the trip back to Phoenix. No sway and pulled up the steepest hills at 70 MPH. It is the nicest ride I have ever had, better then most cars. If the trailer had not been in my rear view mirror I would not have known I was towing it. It also looks great!

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Richard, I'd love to have a new Tundra. Vintage 25-footers are a different cat than new. A new 25' Airstream grosses around 1000# heavier with tongue weight being significantly higher. If I was still using my '74 24' Argosy I'm sure I'd be happier than a pig in slop with a Tundra!
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Richard, I'd love to have a new Tundra. Vintage 25-footers are a different cat than new. A new 25' Airstream grosses around 1000# heavier with tongue weight being significantly higher. If I was still using my '74 24' Argosy I'm sure I'd be happier than a pig in slop with a Tundra!
I agree. The extra weight of a new AS is something to consider. My evaluation is based on my trailer.
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Old 10-10-2007, 01:53 PM   #22
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I am researching a new 1/2 ton truck and reading all these posts with great interest! I am very impressed with the specs on these new trucks - and driving them. One main reason we chose the lightweight 25' Safari was so that we could buy a 1/2 ton truck.

In the meantime, even with our aging F150, I've found a solution to these sort of "gear hunting" problems when towing the Safari. The key was installing the right differential gear so that I could keep the engine at a good speed on the highway. This made a huge difference - before putting in 4.30 gears I was always shifting around at highway speed - one gear was too low and overevved while staying with traffic, and upshifting was too steep to maintain highway speeds. It is now a stable plesant towing experience. With a humble 4.2L I have to downshift on the steeper grades but I'm still usually not the slowest one going up hills.

I used to own a Chevy diesel for boat and car hauling. It was great for towing twice the weight of the Safari but now that we will have just one truck to both tow the Airstream and to commute into town once we park it, a 1/2ton is much more attractive. Something like a new Tundra or F150 with nearly twice the horsepower/torque and twice the towing capacity than is needed for the 25' Safari, will be a huge step up from the 4.2.

Although I know it is overkill, I may wait until next summer when Ford releases the 4.4 diesel in the 2009 F150 - 330 horsepower and 520 lb-ft of torque!

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It doesn't look like GM sells a 1500 HD any more. Look at the GM payload capacities -- pick your own future. (Ford & Mopar stats available on their websites) The Airstream's manual or this will instruct you how to determine true tongue weight.

I cannot say if Airstream's published specs reflect the fact that they've made the LS package (thus a spare tire) standard on Safaris. Everything I have learned would not suggest they are out in front of the aircraft on this detail. Point is -- a decent hitch bar (35 pounds), weight distribution gear, LP in the tanks and a spare tire up front would be considered aftermarket options and not reflected in the Airstream specs; most of the preceeding options are going to add to hitch weight with very little transferred back to the axles. Then put some of your personal gear into the trailer. If these factors don't add 200 pounds minimum to the published hitch weight (eg, 720# for base 25' FB SE) I'll eat my hat. Thus my statement to expect something more like 950# hitch weight. And we aren't even talking about putting water in the tanks like shameless diesel owners are known to do for improved trailer stability, easier late arrivals at campgrounds, etc.
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Old 10-10-2007, 02:29 PM   #24
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Bob, in my Airstream manual it says that a properly setup WD hitch will transfer 1/3 of the tongue weight to the trailer wheels.

If that is the case, then 1/3 of the tongue weight should be included in the trailer's GVWR calculation and 2/3 of the tongue weight in to the vehicle's GVWR calculations.

No one on these posts seems to factor that in. Am I missing something?

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Old 10-10-2007, 02:29 PM   #25
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The Tundra does Great with a new 25 foot Airstream. People are still under the impression Toyotas are light duty vehicles. My Father uses a Tundra for his 25' 76 Caravanner and I use a Tacoma to tow my 25' 2006 Safari. We both put on many miles over mountains and all, no problems. My mileage (Tacoma) is 13-14 at highway speed.
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well i agree the listed a/s weights are suspect...

especially once the options get piled on.

BUT one nice change for this year is...

a/s is NOW including a spare tire/wheel with all units.

i think.

but i'm still not sure it's been added to the tongue figures.

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Just took the wife to lunch and on the way passed a Chevy dealer. Just so happened he had two 07 2500's and 1 2008 2500 diesel, 4x4, extended cabs on the lot. The stickers were both around $44,000 but he was taking $5,500 off the 08 and $7,500 off the 07 due to rebates and discounts. Thats without negotiating. However, he also mentioned two things about the 07 and newer diesels that I wasn't aware of. 1) starting in 07 there are new requirements for diesel fuel in these vehicles that limit the grade of diesel that can be used. He said that by 2010 all stations would be required to carry the higher grade but right now you have to make sure you use ONLY the higher grade or you can do serious damage to the engine and the warrently will NOT cover it. All stations do not carry the higher grade yet so it sounds like you have to search around which could be a problem in some locations. 2) the 07's and 08's have what he called an "ash burner" in them. I'm not sure how often this thing operates but it has a light on the dash that comes on and when it does you have to drive at 45 mph or higher for about 20 minutes so it can do its thing. He said you cannot stop when this light comes on even if you just got home. I was not aware of these two factors in terms of the new diesel engines but they sound like they could be a PIA....
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starting in 07 there are new requirements for diesel fuel
All of the stations I have seen recently have changed over to the new lower sulfer fuel. In fact, I can't remember seeing any since late '06 that still sold the old stuff. No worries as far as I'm concerned
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