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Old 10-16-2008, 07:18 PM   #211
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I just bought my 25' Int SS Ocean Breeze and pulled it from High Point to San Antonio, Texas and back with my Porsche Cayenne Turbo (450 HP, 462 ft/lbs torque). My experience... 10.5 - 11.5 mpg at 60 mph. Stopped about every 180 - 200 miles due to gas shortage. In a head wind the transmission shifted down to 5th fairly often. Cruise control is useless because the engine will simply hammer out the power to maintain the speed when much better fuel mileage is obtained from allowing speed fluctuation. My decision... I have been down to my local Dodge dealer negotiating on a 2500 4x4 Quad cab long bed... Laramie or SLT trim. It will not ride ride a Cayenne, but the 650 ft/lbs torque at 1500 rpm means it will not even know there is a hill or a headwind. And 14 - 15 mpg means 450 miles on a tank of Diesel easily. Big, long, heavy, Diesel. I think this is the answer.
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:35 PM   #212
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:01 PM   #213
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Big long heavy diesels are definitely the way to go.. I get 14 mpg towing a 34 limited with my 7.3, have thought of buying a new truck but can't wear this one out..
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:09 PM   #214
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:45 PM   #215
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(450 HP, 462 ft/lbs torque). 10.5 - 11.5 mpg at 60 mph. In a head wind the transmission shifted down to 5th fairly often. Cruise control is useless because the engine will simply hammer out the power to maintain the speed when much better fuel mileage is obtained from allowing speed fluctuation.
This is not a lack of HP or torque - you have more than enough of both for the 25 footer. Your rear axle is geared way too high.

Put a big enough differential gear in the Dodge you're looking at and it'll be struggling too.

Gears are far cheaper than trucks (and you still get a ride as cool as the CCD behind you !)

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Old 10-17-2008, 12:11 AM   #216
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This is not a lack of HP or torque - you have more than enough of both for the 25 footer. Your rear axle is geared way too high.

Put a big enough differential gear in the Dodge you're looking at and it'll be struggling too.

Gears are far cheaper than trucks (and you still get a ride as cool as the CCD behind you !)

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Aftermarket Porsche Cayenne gears cost nearly as much as a good used HD pickup.

As to the original topic of this thread, the difference between a Tundra and a 3/4 ton diesel pickup from one of the big three is this: The Tundra will pull the 25' AS with no problems. Then, load the Tundra and the AS onto a trailer and the diesels will pull them both.
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Old 10-17-2008, 06:41 AM   #217
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Tundra, I like mine

As an update, I have had my Tundra since August now, I like it and it pulls just fine. JUST LIKE A GM half ton with a 5.7. Thats apples to apples.
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Old 10-17-2008, 08:41 AM   #218
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Coming from a VW Touareg with a V8, I enjoy towing with my Dodge Ram 2500 with the Cummins 6.7. It pulls infinitely better than the Touareg at any grade or speed and having bed space for gear, dogs, bikes, etc is nice. You should be able to get a fantastic deal on a new 08 at about $13.5K to $14K off of MSRP on these trucks. Stay away from the 07's unless it has the 5.9L in it.
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Old 10-17-2008, 08:43 AM   #219
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Then, load the Tundra and the AS onto a trailer and the diesels will pull them both.
Then load trailer and the diesel onto a freight train, and it will pull all of it. The train can be loaded onto an aircraft carrier…

About 8,500 miles towing the Safari 25' with the '07 Tundra and no problems.

I have read the newest diesels are very complex to reduce pollution and they are difficult to maintain. Is that true? Maintenance on a diesel is more than a gas engine anyway.

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Old 10-17-2008, 08:45 AM   #220
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This is not a lack of HP or torque - you have more than enough of both for the 25 footer. Your rear axle is geared way too high.

Put a big enough differential gear in the Dodge you're looking at and it'll be struggling too.

Gears are far cheaper than trucks (and you still get a ride as cool as the CCD behind you !)

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Must be!!! My Sequoia has 389 bhp and 408 torque and pulls an '04 28' safari no problem up the mountains in colorado at 70+ mph

I don't need a 3/4 ton truck... If all I was doing was towing I might switch to one, but with two small kids and a dog, and a daily driver I like what I have and it is plenty for my needs and then some. Plus the price of gas is dropping. $3.05 here... in Delta CO..
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I have read the newest diesels are very complex to reduce pollution and they are difficult to maintain. Is that true? Maintenance on a diesel is more than a gas engine anyway.
Yes, this can be true. While there should be little change in regular maintenance the new systems have EGRs than are introducing soot into the intake and turbo, requiring cleaning and turbo replacements (read=WARRANTY). On the Dodge side, Changes in ECM software are helping reduce this problem by keeping the EGR closed when at idle to reduce this contamination. Running with a load or towing helps prevent this. These new trucks also use a DPF, or diesel particulate filter to capture soots particles and exhaust gas byproducts and re-burn them much like a catalytic converter re-burns exhaust gasses on a gasser. The end result is a truck that DOES NOT SMOKE. I have yet to see a puff from mine, nor do I have a sooty tail pipe. The downside is that this takes heat to make the systems work and this is accomplished by adding more fuel to up the EGTs. It can really hit your fuel economy if you end up constantly going into regen for the DPF.
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Old 10-17-2008, 09:03 AM   #222
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In the past I have dissed the Toyota Tundra as being nothing more than another 1/2 ton pickup, and then I taked with a unit member that tows a 34 Footer with a Toyota...no problems he says.

So then, I went to the Toyota site and started looking at their specs....the Tundra with the towing package is rated to tow 10,000 pounds. It does it with two things that I would consider unique to pickups in America. The first is a 4.3:1 rearend ratio, and the other is a six speed automatic transmission. This thing is really setup to tow.

However, I still think they're ugly!
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:15 AM   #223
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However, I still think they're ugly!
I try not to look at the front end. I park it in front of the house with the front end facing away. I drive it behind the front end, so I don't see it. I mostly look at the rest of the truck which looks just like any other pickup.

When you open the hood, it seems like 1/3 of the engine is behind the leading edge of the windshield. It isn't quite that far, but they've positioned things to maximize space in the cab while setting the engine further back and this not having another foot or two in overall length. It makes sense to me, but it is kinda ugly, maybe because we're not used to the front end of a truck looking snub nosed.

They've been rounding off the fenders of trucks for a while now and at first that looked strange. I've gotten used to it and now those square front ends look ugly. I'm hoping to get used to the Tundra since I figure I'll be owning it for a long time (unless the stock market rebounds sooner and I get impatient and just have to have a new truck).

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As an update, I have had my Tundra since August now, I like it and it pulls just fine. JUST LIKE A GM half ton with a 5.7. Thats apples to apples.
Yeah, but...there's Macouin apples and there's Fuji apples...
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