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Old 01-01-2008, 07:14 PM   #127
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Inevitable Consequences of Long Term Bad Behavior

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American car companies appear to be at a genetic dead end./quote]

Rob, with all due respect....what the heck does that mean???

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When any group, (could be family, company, country, business, religion, race, etc.) pursues a self indulgent, self destructive course for too long, (examples: US auto manufacturers or banks giving huge bonuses, options to management while losing money, laying off workers) the results are inevitable, tragic.
Heck, to bring this topic to Airstream, there are years of quality issues, some pretty recent, related to the ownership/management, if the problems were/are not fixed, who will spend the bucks to buy a new Airstream? How long before we lament the good old days of new Airstreams?
Romans, Greeks, Aztecs all had their days in the sun. Us too!
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Old 01-01-2008, 07:53 PM   #128
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fastrob,

you seem to agree that Airstream is experiencing an upturn in quality, yet how is it that you don't acknowledge the improvements of the domestic automakers have made?

This was a thread comparing tow vehicles......
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Old 01-01-2008, 08:11 PM   #129
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By the way, those Toyota profits go back to Japan so the Japanese can buy US bonds and finance our spendthrift government administration.

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Old 01-02-2008, 07:27 AM   #130
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fastrob,

you seem to agree that Airstream is experiencing an upturn in quality, yet how is it that you don't acknowledge the improvements of the domestic automakers have made?

This was a thread comparing tow vehicles......
Rob, I am with redeagle on this one. US Auto mfrs are turning out their best vehicles in decades. Numerous quality surveys would confirm this.
It is the Japanese (and Euros) that are suffering a lapse in quality; Rear ends on Nissan p-up, Toyota engine sludge, cam shafts in new truck, sliding doors on mini vans... Genetic dead end? Maybe the Japanese have had their "day in the sun".
Let's hope...

Anyway, congrats to outthere for deciding on 2 American products. You will be glad you went 3/4 ton, especialy planning on full timing with a 25'!

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Old 01-02-2008, 08:38 AM   #131
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Already having 2nd thoughts....

Thanks Bill but after reading the post by Timemachine I'm wondering if I made the right decision on the diesel. I haven't paid for anything yet so until I do I still have options and the thread on "dumping the diesel for a gasser" has me thinking again.....
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outthere -- Like investments, you've got to be comfortable sleeping with your decisions. You caused me to read more posts in the 'dumped our diesel' thread. All experiences are unique. I'm like Sam McGee sitting in that roaring furnace (can you tell it's below zero here this AM?) -- never been happier with my D/A.
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Old 01-02-2008, 09:18 AM   #133
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I'm w/Bob...this is our first diesel and I am a convert. We live in New England, no problems with the cold, fuel economy is great; 14-15 mpg towing, 21 unloaded, new diesels don't smell/smoke.

Do you NEED a diesel to pull an Airstream? No...but I would not want to feed a bb gasser nowadays.

Cummins is a great motor, proven, and very fuel efficient. Any of the big 3 diesels are great. Last genereation Ford had some issues, but you are looking at new trucks so you should be fine. If you are like me, and keep your rigs a long time, you will be all set with whatever you end up towing for many, many, years!

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Old 01-02-2008, 09:30 AM   #134
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fastrob,

you seem to agree that Airstream is experiencing an upturn in quality, yet how is it that you don't acknowledge the improvements of the domestic automakers have made?

This was a thread comparing tow vehicles......
Redeagle313,
I keep hoping, dreaming and looking but cannot ignore what I see.
As a man there is nothing I would like more than to see my neighbors working productivly, creating wealth for themselves.
Look at the new Jeep J8, 4 cyl diesel, 5 speed auto, manufactured in Egypt and ask why not in USA? That would be perfect for my needs out here in the wild snowy woods of Maine, USA.
Sorry, not for USA market.
We have a GMC Sierra that works and we will continue to repair it until I find something better. Never mind the new trucks 100k warranty, 0% for 72 months financing or thousands in cash back.
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Old 01-02-2008, 10:05 AM   #135
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Canoestream...I think whats hardest for me is that I have no personal experience with towing a large trailer or with TV's (other then small boats and UHauls). This will be my first time with each so I'm totally dependent on what others tell me. I've also been around long enough to have made some errors in the past with other things I have purchased by trying to compromise and now I'm a stong believer in "do it right the first time". Expense is not really an issue since this will be my new home but I do want the best quality, comfort and functionality for the wife and I -- even if its a more expensive proposition. As everyone knows, TV's are expensive and they depreciate quickly so if I screw this up and get the wrong TV I'll never recoup my losses (or hear the end of it from my wife!). The good news is that I've got time until my house sells to make the decision and therefore I can drive everyone nuts on this forum looking for information So....I'll just continue to following the various threads and ask questions as they come up until the house sells and I'm "forced" into making that big decision. Thanks for bearing with me here! I appreciate it!
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outthere. All current trucks with diesels have suspension and engine capacity for any trailer -- that makes the answer too easy. I should not lose sight of the fact that a gas powered option in any chassis is available to do an admirable job towing any Airstream. Diesel is slightly less convenient in several ways but foremost it is not great for daily short in-town use. Diesel is problematic to store and use just for towing -- and is an expensive choice if one would use it that way. I fully agree that gas is a perfectly valid choice and is the preferred option for many people. I always like Rodney's thread, http://www.airforums.com/forums/f348...ers-36380.html -- and not just because of the $$ arguments.

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Old 01-02-2008, 11:57 AM   #137
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hi outthere...

hand wringing is part of the process, so wring away!

you folks are gonna LIVE FULL TIME in the a/s?

while the 25 safari with double wrap windows might seem ideal now...

until you have lived in and with it awhile that is a firm 'maybe'...

full timers need storage space, livability, utility, durability, flexibility...

and an adventuresome spirit!

all those pretty end windows seem nice, but significant storage is lost, along with some bedroom privacy.

there are lots of other issues too, but the point is, be sure the tow rig is capable of towing...

the next trailer (which may be several feet longer) or other styles.

i've got 50k+ towing miles (since 05) on the diesel and still love it.

it is my 1st sludge bucket too, but i am enjoying this thing now.

finding fuel hasn't been hard, it is just different, so too is the maintenance.

repairs and break downs happen, it is part of the overtheroad adventure.

i've enjoyed 'learning' about the diesel side, and this thing cruises all day at 70-72, with trailer in tow...

regardless of fuel choice the 3/4 ton is a versatile platform for full timing.

my FIRST towable a/s is/was a 34 and i don't full time, i couldn't make it with a 25.

i see a bigger trailer is your future, so don't buy the tv twice too!

besides, the next one might be a 5'er with 5 slides!

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Old 01-02-2008, 02:28 PM   #138
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2Air, well.....we'll be living aboard but only for part of the year. The warmer months will find us at a cottage we have up in Northern Michigan. Too cold up there for the winter, so when the snow flies, so will we...At that point we plan to use the AS and head to more Southern climes for the winter months. So...a 25 is not all that bad I don't think. Also, we plan to do a good bit of moving around. My other hobby is Harleys and I've been blessed with the opportunity to ride my bike across the USA three times over the past 5 years. I do all back roads, generally cruise at 55 mph or less and stop at every road side attraction I can find. Kind of like Charles Kuralts journey across America. My wife is not as much into Harley's as I am so she has not accompanied me on my "vacations". So....the AS is gonna be the answer to that. We plan to use the AS in a similar fashion to the bike but spend maybe two weeks in a particular spot before moving on. There's so much to see in this great country of ours and I've only scratched the surface. So...thats my dream (and luckily my wife shares it as well!).
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gettin' outthere,

reads like a great adventure...

having a stick cabin for stretching out, is a good thing.

IF you plan to take the hog or any motor bike,f

consider the LONG bed trucks.

see ya camping!

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Old 01-02-2008, 06:53 PM   #140
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Outhere, you might rent a small motorhome equivalent to a 25' A/S interior—try it for a couple of weeks and see if that size really does work for you. Some couples will do fine, others, no matter how much they like each other, could find themselves having dark thoughts about their beloved who happens to be always in the way, or seems so.

We have the 25' Safari FB and it worked for us for the entire 14 days we have used it, but if we were full timing half the year, I think it might get a bit crazy. Check out the 27' FB—bigger storage and less cramped bed space. Seems like it would make a lot of difference for long term. If you have the front and rear panoramic windows, and you are using it in the fall and spring, it'll be harder to heat with all that glass.

For a 27', a 3/4 ton is pretty much necessary and then you'll be set up for that 34' in a few years. Maybe Toyota will have a 3/4 ton by then.

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