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Old 11-21-2006, 11:37 AM   #15
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Another point is if the '06 is stolen or wrecked the insurance Co will look at it as a year old----outch!
That's why I went with the 08! Much less risky...
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Old 11-21-2006, 08:05 PM   #16
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I just bought a new 06 Dodge Ram 3500 HD Turbodiesel. I received a great discount by buying one on the lot. In looking at used ones, we didn't see a lot of depreciation if the unit was in very good condition so we chose to buy a new 06. We are new Airstreamers and have really appreciated the good advice received on this forum. We have an 87 34' Excella which we refurbished and have taken out twice to the mountains using our Lincoln Navigator which we knew was not adequate for much towing.
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Old 11-21-2006, 08:18 PM   #17
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I sasw a sign today for "red" diesel. it was about 30 cents/gallon cheaper than the other stuff they are selling. Where I usually fill up it is not labeled to the type of diesel. Is it LSD or ULSD?
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Old 11-21-2006, 08:32 PM   #18
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I sasw a sign today for "red" diesel. it was about 30 cents/gallon cheaper than the other stuff they are selling. Where I usually fill up it is not labeled to the type of diesel. Is it LSD or ULSD?
Regardless of whether it is LSD or USLD, it is illegal to use red diesel in a highway operated vehicle. Red diesel is for use in Agricultural vehicles such as tractors. The reason it is cheaper is that it is exempt from federal taxes because it used only for agricultural purposes. It's red so they can tell if you're breaking the law if you use it.
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Ok I get it Red=bad, Green=Good.
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Old 11-21-2006, 09:14 PM   #20
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A friend of mine who drives truck delivering gas and diesel to stations, told me that all they have been hauling is ULSD since about mid September. He said the general consensus among truck operators is that ULSD is OK, and does not seem to have any mileage or power issues. He told me he has not noticed any change in the way his truck performs or in the fuel mileage it gets.

thecatsandi, red fuel is HIGH sulphur off road diesel. Used for agricultural and off road construction equipment.
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Old 11-21-2006, 09:45 PM   #21
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thecatsandi, red fuel is HIGH sulphur off road diesel. Used for agricultural and off road construction equipment.[/quote]

Pick , do you have more info about this . I have been trying to determine this myself, I have been told by station owns , delivery people and my fuel supplier that they are the same with the exception of the red dye.
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Old 11-21-2006, 10:43 PM   #22
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Here is a site explaining all about red diesel....

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Old 11-21-2006, 11:50 PM   #23
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Here is a site explaining all about red diesel....

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Good info Roscinante , but I didn't see where it addressed the question about the difference between red and white except for the legal aspect
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OK...try this one!

Diesel information
All the diesel for cars and trucks meets a certain standard. Off road diesel is white diesel with a color additive, this to make a visible difference between regular diesel and off road diesel. The quality can be different than regular diesel. We advise, in particular for people that don't use the tractor much, to use regular diesel or red diesel mentioned in World Wide Fuel Charter instead of off- road diesel.
The difference in between the off road diesel and regular, that are the most important for the tractors we sell are:
  1. A bacteria colony may develop in the tank of your tractor or storage tank. Some bacteria's produce slimy substances that may cause clogged filters and fuel pumps. Other bacteria's produce an acid that causes rust, this rust can result in a bad functioning fuel injector pumps. Some bacteria species double their colony in 20 minutes in warm conditions.
  2. Diesel mentioned mentioned in World Wide Fuel Charter, has a lubricity character that meets the standard. Pump wear can be as much as 10 times higher, measured in microns, in only 250 hours.
  3. Off road diesel can foam more than the standard.
  4. Diesels mentioned in the world wide fuel charter have a cleaning character. Carbon deposit is typical problem in diesel motors. Carbon can clog injector holes or change the angle in which the diesel enters the cylinder. This can have an affect on the performance of your tractor.
TIPS
  1. Check storage tanks and diesel tanks on the tractor for contamination like water and rust.
  2. Don't fill your tractor tank when your storage tank just has been filled.
  3. Fill your tractor with diesel after you finished work, this way water vapor be pushed out the tank before it condensates in the tank.
  4. Try to buy off road diesel with certain quality.
Lubricants
We advise all our customers to change oil with an oil that meets the manufacturers specification. Never buy oil that doesn't meet these specifications. Quality oil may be higher in price, but it saves your tractor in the long run. All the big oil companies have lubricants that meets these specifications. Our company sells Shell lubricants.
For tractors with wet brakes, hydraulic clutch packs and independant hydraulic PTO's , such as Ford 4000, JD 1630, MF 285 we recommend for most tractors Shell Donax TD. We think this is the best oil that protects the tractor parts the best in the life of your tractor.
Source:
www.shell.com - Shell USA
www.acea.be - World Wide Fuel Charter
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I guess that is probably the best answer we will get , " it can be different ". From the answers I have gotten it seems that at least in my neck of the woods , it is not different. Thanks for the update
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