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Old 01-20-2012, 01:07 PM   #29
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...I put some of the pink foamy liquid in a used water bottle and put in our freezer. In the morning, it was frozen solid; and the thermometer in the freezer read 15 degrees. So much for mixing RV antifreeze with fresh water...
The "pink stuff" will freeze, but that's no great problem because it doesn't expand until it's really, really, really cold, far lower than you're likely to experience.

However, do pay attention to the instructions on those bottles of "pink stuff": They say to use it pure, not mixed with water, which will expand readily when it freezes.


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Old 01-20-2012, 01:12 PM   #30
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No need to worry about the pies. Even when they're frozen you can still eat them if your teeth are in reasonable shape, and even then gumming a piece is usually productive.
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Old 01-20-2012, 03:42 PM   #31
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Wish MY pipes would freeze up a little so I could get past 5am.

Seriously though....a lot colder here in WNY and I have winterized as late as November 15th, with overnight lowz in the high 20's, no bursters. 6hrs slightly below freezing should not be a problem.

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Old 01-20-2012, 04:01 PM   #32
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just a thought on the water heater--mine is duel--electric or propane. You said you were pluged in-- might you be on electric and not propane to heat the water?
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My philosophy on freezing

Try to avoid having water in the lines when it gets below freezing. Generally, I just drain making sure to open the taps at the sinks and john. If the pump and water heater are drained all that can be damaged is PEX. If I screw up, there is no pay off in getting worried: either there is damage or there is not. If not, great. If yes, fix it. Don't get stressed, don't get mad. Just move on, life is too short to be wound tight.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:48 AM   #34
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Do older (mine is a 94) models automatically switch from one tank to the other when the first runs empty? My manual is not with me and I too am in the midst of this PNW less than tropical weather pattern.
A typical automatic switchover regulator looks like this. The key is that there will be some sort of visible red/green indicator.

The lever points towards your primary tank and green means it is drawing gas from that tank, red means it has switched to the secondary tank. Switching the lever makes the other tank primary and the indicator will return to green.

These things can go bad. A simple test is to start with adequate gas in both tanks and both valves open. Turn on the furnace or the water heater, then while observing the regulator, close the valve on the primary tank. If it is switching over, the indicator will change and the appliance will continue to operate uninterrupted.
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I had frozen pipes in my first AS, the seller told me he winterized the unit. I believed him. The spring came and I connected to a water supply for the first time. I was floating on air-- I owned an Airstream !
That is until I saw water pouring out on the ground. I had to replace almost all the fixtures and lines. I even had to replace the toilet valves. It took awhile but I got the repairs made and learned a valuable lesson-- Don't believe the seller--in my case-- his winterizing was taking the beer out of the fridge.
As others have said--if it happens, it happens. No biggy-- just a few dollars to repair and pictures to share.

My point is-- water freezes, if it freezes, damage could happen. If there is damage, no big deal, repair it. You get to look at areas in your AS you probley wouldn't normally see.
You learned a valuable lesson. Always keep the propane tanks full. Drain the water and be sure you anti-freeze the traps, etc.
If you are in an area that can experiance prolonged freezing weather, DO NOT leave water in your trailer.
I hope you enjoy your AS and keep us posted. (we all love pictures)
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:40 PM   #36
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No need to worry about the pies. Even when they're frozen you can still eat them if your teeth are in reasonable shape, and even then gumming a piece is usually productive.
Funny! Sounds delicious gumming away at a piece of frozen pie -- really! lol
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Funny! Sounds delicious gumming away at a piece of frozen pie -- really! lol
Great for teething babies!
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just a thought on the water heater--mine is duel--electric or propane. You said you were pluged in-- might you be on electric and not propane to heat the water?
Again, something else I have/had no clue on -- another thing to explore and learn about -- thank you so much!!
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Try to avoid having water in the lines when it gets below freezing. Generally, I just drain making sure to open the taps at the sinks and john. If the pump and water heater are drained all that can be damaged is PEX. If I screw up, there is no pay off in getting worried: either there is damage or there is not. If not, great. If yes, fix it. Don't get stressed, don't get mad. Just move on, life is too short to be wound tight.
This is such a great outlook on life in general -- "dont get stressed, don't get mad -- just move on, life is too short to be wound tight." It just may be my new quote to live by! Boy, I sure was wound tight that night!
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Been there, done that....

To answer your question--How to know if you have cracked pipes....I have on my desk a 5" piece of tubing and filter that was in the auto-fill line from my Airstream. The filter had water in it and froze (long, dumb, sad story) and we discovered that we had a leak (somewhere!) while at an overnight stop on the way to Picacho Peak, AZ for this year's 4CU New Years rally.

We were stopped at an RV park in Deming, NM, and I turned on the water pump (it was freezing out, didn't want to set up the hose, had water in the tank). First indication of a problem was no water pressure at either sink. Just a dribble. I went out and found water leaking out at the low point drains. AAARRRGGGHHH. I knew we had a cracked pipe somewhere. But we cow-girled up, bought a 6 gallon container at Walmart, and went on to the rally. Heated water on the stove, or poured water out of the containers, still used the sinks/drains/potty. Had a great time.

I was sick about the cracked pipe, so I "get" your worry. But we camped-on, and when we returned, the fine folks at Holiday (ABQ's AS dealer) found our leak and had it fixed in no time. The attitude of "just get it fixed" is right. I keep this small bit of plumbing on my desk to remind me to take care of business, and don't sweat the small stuff.
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Its all good, your trailer propane tank regulator does have the automatic switch. The flip arm is just as mentioned above, the way to flip to the second tank when the first tank is empty,,,,when removing it to have filled. If there is propane in both tanks you get a all green showing in the little sight glass. When one tank is empty it will automaticly flip to the full tank and half the sight glass will turn red. Some of the new airstream units have a tank heater switch located in the bathroom, to be used in freezing weather,,,,if you dont have one then the tanks are heated by a duct that goes from the furnace to the tank compartment. Thats why Airstream always says if furnace is working your safe for water and tank freezing. Just remember that when you use a plug in electric heater and not your furnace the inside of the trailer may be warm but the tank compartmets are not getting heat,,,,,Happy Trails
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. A good test for burst pipes is to turn on the pump(with water in the fresh tank). If it pressurizes and shuts off you're ok. If it continues to run you likely have a problem. I'm bettin' you're OK.
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Don't count on that pump cyle and stop test. When water pipes freeze, the water expands inside (10%) and increases the water pressure. So you check the pump, it cyles and stops. Or you even check a faucet, there's water pressure. But if you let it run another moment, it dies, because you have just bled off the increased pressure from the freezing water. It's good to have bled off the pressure some, but the pipes are still freezing with other zones with frozen in pressure. Now you only have minutes to get that zone thawed out before things burst, unless it is a material that will take 10% increase in size, and again for each time the water freezes.
Cold wind will find the unprotected section of the lines and cause a freeze where you wouldn't expect it. Aluminum is a very good conductor of cold.
The best way I've found to thaw pipes is a 2 liter bottle of hot water with a hole pierced in the lid, and maybe massage the pipe with a rag with the hot water. So far I haven't had the joy of thawing out pipes in the airstream, yet.
A trick from the snowmaking crew on the ski area, when they blow the water out of the snow making lines, they blow until there's no more fog coming out. I wouldn't use that much airpressure blowing out my lines in the airstream though.
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