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Old 10-29-2010, 11:56 AM   #29
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Upon further thought.... winterize and get a room at the Y. It's too darned cold up there!

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Old 10-29-2010, 03:13 PM   #30
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I've also seen ads for heated water hose. It's expensive though. Depending on the brand, as much as $90 to $200 for 15 to 25 ft. hoses. Here's a link. Make sure you take a look at the reviews:

Amazon.com: PIRIT PWL-02-25 Water Line 25-Foot Heated Water Hose: Patio, Lawn & Garden
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No one has discussed auxiliary heating with electric. Granted that overall the furnace will keep the AS warm, but there is nothing to equal the radiant heat of an electric heater. Permanent of portable? Experience and recommendations? Zigi
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Old 10-30-2010, 12:24 AM   #32
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I've been there and done that, but not in an airstream. You'll have to skirt to keep the wind from freezing pipes, even pipes inside the trailer. Insulated skirting is a must. A light bulb or two or milk house heater under the trailer will help, but keep the bulbs off the staw or any combustibles. When it really does get cold, not that 10 degree summer: Running hoses will freeze while running full stream. Dump valves that are open will let the freeze (and mice) in farther into the trailer. Leave the water running at all faucets all the time. (and someone will always turn them off when you're not looking and you're froze up for another few days). If the water stops running, you have a few moments to get the freezing pressure off before the isolated pressure points breaks the pipes, then a few more moments to find the freeze and thaw it out. A 2 liter bottle of hot water, with a hole poked in the top works well to thaw out pipes. Wind will be the cause of a lot of freezes, and frequently adjacent to the water heater. Your heat tape needs to be on metal, or thinking it's on metal before it comes on. An extension cord with a light at the plug helps to show if there's power at the heat tape. It takes days and more days for your black water and gray water tanks to thaw out under there in the spring thaw out of the sun. Expect nice animals to be camping with you inside the skirting. Your sewer line will always be running up hill and therefore frozen. You'll be tired of winter before Thanksgiving. Oh, it might snow too. Snow against the skirting is really a nice insulator and stops a lot of wind. Tiny snow dust, drifts inside also helps to find the air leaks in your insulation. Tell us of your 100 below wind chill experiences, and what the snow sounds like when you're walking on it. If you're in a campsite, some nice helpful person will turn your water or power off for you about every day after you leave for work. It will always be dark when you're looking for the freeze.
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Old 10-30-2010, 10:11 AM   #33
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Upon further thought.... winterize and get a room at the Y. It's too darned cold up there!

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The Y does not have rooms!

I'll take it month-by-month. If it gets ridiculous, I'll find an extended stay hotel.

I'm really hoping to find a job at home... but after 2 years of looking, I may be working here awhile.
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Old 10-30-2010, 10:16 AM   #34
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No one has discussed auxiliary heating with electric. Granted that overall the furnace will keep the AS warm, but there is nothing to equal the radiant heat of an electric heater. Permanent of portable? Experience and recommendations? Zigi
At the RV park where I am staying they charge for electricity, and my calculations suggest that the BTU per dollar of resistance heat will be very expensive. Also, without the furnace running the heat will not get to the tanks below. A heat pump is 3-4 times more efficient than resistance heat, in terms of BTU per watt... so that works for warmer weather (30 F+). I have been using the heat pump exclusively in September and October.
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I think I found the problem with my heat tape setup. The RV park has a heater rod they put into the water faucet assembly to keep it from freezing. It makes the spigot and water warm to the touch. My heat tape thermostat was only about 6 inches down the well insulated hose from that. So that warmth fooled the thermostat into thinking it was a warm night, and the heat tape did not come on. The hose froze further downstream.

So I tried holding a chunk of ice on the heat tape thermostat, but was unable to determine if the heat tape came on. It did not feel very warm to the touch. But my hands were wet from the ice, and perhaps I did not wait long enough. Anyway, given the paragraph above I will assume the heat tape works and I just need to change the thermostat position. The plug has a light to indicate it is receiving power, which it is.

I just pulled the thermostat away from the hose and outside of the pipe insulation, sitting out in the air. Why does the thermostat not work when exposed to cold air? Why does it need to be attached to metal? I would think either one is at the same ambient temp. I could find something metal to attach it to if that is really necessary - I could even buy a short length of pipe from Home Depot to really fool it!

In Denver it gets cold at night with average lows around 15 F in January. Days are often warm with average highs in January of 53 F, with 60+ F not uncommon. I think the heat pump will take care of the days, and the furnace at night.
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Cool Winter Full-Timing...How To????

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AS is not insulated for enjoyable full-timing in Winter as I see it. We have owned 13 RVs since 1969 and the AS is like trying to heat and cool an aluminum Prince Albert can. We full-timed in our 310 MOHO in Denver and Texas last Winter, and believe me it was a challenge!!
First, Fill your water tank and use self-contained so you avoid water freeze-ups in the low temps. Keep cabinet doors open to get heat circulation through-out your unit to avoid freeze ups. Second, Get a larger capacity LP bottle (100#) and use your smaller tank for emergency when the larger runs out. Third, Be sure your furnace is in top operating condition, as it will run a lot of the time.
Fourth, use ceramic cube heaters to heat areas that tend to freeze or to maintain comfort level during extremes of weather. Fifth, Pray for a mild winter in Colorado.
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AS is not insulated for enjoyable full-timing in Winter as I see it. We have owned 13 RVs since 1969 and the AS is like trying to heat and cool an aluminum Prince Albert can. We full-timed in our 310 MOHO in Denver and Texas last Winter, and believe me it was a challenge!!
First, Fill your water tank and use self-contained so you avoid water freeze-ups in the low temps. Keep cabinet doors open to get heat circulation through-out your unit to avoid freeze ups. Second, Get a larger capacity LP bottle (100#) and use your smaller tank for emergency when the larger runs out. Third, Be sure your furnace is in top operating condition, as it will run a lot of the time.
Fourth, use ceramic cube heaters to heat areas that tend to freeze or to maintain comfort level during extremes of weather. Fifth, Pray for a mild winter in Colorado.
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All good ideas!

I have several job opportunities in-process. The most exciting is Director of a large computing facility for the UN in Switzerland. Something will hit eventually.
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All good ideas!

I have several job opportunities in-process. The most exciting is Director of a large computing facility for the UN in Switzerland. Something will hit eventually.
Well, congratulations, but isn't it going to be expensive to get your Airstream over to Switzerland?
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Well, congratulations, but isn't it going to be expensive to get your Airstream over to Switzerland?
Too early for congratulations... I applied, and six months later (!) they contacted me to take a series of exams, and now I'm waiting, again.

I think the trailer would go in a hangar for a couple years. The UN has a great program where they move you and your stuff to and from... don't know yet if they move trucks and trailers though.
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In my 20's I had the privilege of living in a mobile home in South Dakota for 7 seasons. I used heat tape and insulation on both the water line and the sewer. To increase the heat of the tape I just used more wraps per foot. I wrapped the tape with insulation and the insulation with a moisture proof wrap. If the insulation would get wet, the pipes would sometimes still freeze.

I'd do anything before I'd live in a camper in Dakota winter.
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I learned about frozen propane tanks sitting an oil well south of Thermopolis WY one January, the next job was going to be in the Williston Basin up the Dakota's. Had an offer to go to work for a company in Kansas, you bet I chose Kansas over the Dakota's in the winter. You get tempted to heat the propane tank with a rose bud when you're cold enough, to get some gas to come out of a full tank. Propane freezes in the line and you can't get it to flow. Except the rose bud uses propane too.
The hot springs at Thermopolis was a fun thing in the winter though.
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Old 10-30-2010, 09:32 PM   #42
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You guys are not what I'd call encouraging! But I appreciate the reality check on this operation. And when I freeze, you can warmly say "I told you so!"

Based on others past experience, I bought a 6" piece of 1/2" galvanized pipe and attached the heat tape thermostat to it, with the dime sized black button "sensor" pressed against the pipe. The pipe/heat tape thermostat assembly is sitting out on the ground near the campground spigot. I will figure out a way to get it off the ground to keep it out of the snow. Now when it gets cold out the heat tape should switch on - I hope!

I ran the tail of the heat tape along the bottom of the black and gray tank drain pipes and valves, and wrapped those pipes with foam/foil insulating tape. I have not done anything to insulate the slinky though. My current plan is to leave both valves closed, and dump on warmer days... which seem to happen fairly often here in the winter.

It's only October and I already had problems with the water hose freezing... not a good sign. At least there are warm days in-between freezes to rework my system.
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