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Old 11-16-2012, 01:17 AM   #29
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Well, you asked for obvious, so here goes. Snow is caused by cold weather and precipitation, and usually below freezing. Freezing weather causes water to freeze...duh! There's lots of water in your Airstream pipes and tanks.

The furnace will keep most of it from freezing, provided it doesn't get too cold, and you have enough propane. But that does nothing for the water coming into the Airstream, and going out of the Airstream.

You can camp in freezing, snowy weather, but it's a PITA, IMHO.
My airstream came with 2 heating switches in the bathroom that the dealer said were uncommon..heaters for the tanks so they don't freeze. I don't see any comments on this..is it totally rare? Does it work?

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Old 11-16-2012, 08:43 AM   #30
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My airstream came with 2 heating switches in the bathroom that the dealer said were uncommon..heaters for the tanks so they don't freeze. I don't see any comments on this..is it totally rare? Does it work?

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Old 11-16-2012, 09:30 AM   #31
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I wouldn't pull my trailer over snow/ice covered roads because of the salt, but cold temps don't bother us. As I write this, we're camped in WI, and it was about 30 F last night. We're boondocking, too. The problem is finding someplace to camp as all the State parks and private campgrounds are closed. We came up here early to go to a concert tonight, and found a parking lot near downtown where they would let us park. Beats a hotel!
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:31 AM   #32
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In a few hours we'll be on the road to Three Rivers. The forecast turned on us and it looks like rain for the entire weekend. I figured snow camping...or rain camping in our case, would be a trip my husband and I would take by ourselves when our son and dog could go to grandpa's house for the weekend. Has anyone ever met a child or Labrador that knows how to stay out of puddles?
I considered leaving the dog for this trip, but the poor fellow, he has aluminitus too. We took one trip without him and he got extremely depressed. When the As is home, he sleeps by the door now so we can't get by him without his noticing.
Wish us luck on our rainy weekend. Let's see what kind of a muddy mess we can make out of our TT.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:49 AM   #33
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A few years back, we went out and the the temp dropped below freezing. We brought our own bottled water, trailer was already winterized. Not a problem inside but when we went to empty the black and gray at dump station, we encountered some frozen valves, making for an uneasy time. Finally got things flowing, but only after breaking one of the valve handles. Easily replaced, but it could have been worse: the whole rod thing could have detached. Lesson learned.

I'd either find some way to keep the plumbing that exits the trailer by the dump valves above freezing, or for go camping altogether.

We were thinking of a Thanksgiving outing, since the lowest temp where we would go is 38 degrees.

I'd be curious how any of you keep your exterior valves from freezing up. The obvious thing would be to use a heating coil or hot light somehow, but with all that farting around, that makes staying home seem more attractive.

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Old 11-16-2012, 12:27 PM   #34
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Is it pointless to go snow camping? LoL.
The better question is whether, given all the tradeoffs, it's more enjoyable than the alternatives.

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Does anyone actualy snow camp in an Airstream?
Yes, there are some people who take them on ski trips. Go figure.

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Would I be constantly freezing inside my trailer?
You should have enough heat down to at least -10 F with little or no wind. Heat distribution becomes a problem at colder temperatures, because the ductwork in some Airstreams provides uneven heat. This is a nuisance when it's 40 degrees out but is a real problem at lower temperatures. I made fairly extensive modifications to my trailer to deal with this, which are documented in the furnace section of the forum.

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What kind of prep to the trailer and systems, like plumbing, need to be made for snow camping?
There are two approaches. One approach is to winterize the trailer, and camp without using any of the plumbing. This can work OK for short trips and for situations where you're really just sleeping in the trailer and eating and socializing at, say, the ski lodge.

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Does anyone know of any camp areas that are even open (California) in snow conditions? With a dump site?
In Minnesota most of the state parks keep a campground loop or two plowed year around, but they shut off the water and close the dump stations. There's only one private campground I know of here that stays open all year.

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Are there any must-do tips for snow camping? Even if it seems obvious, tell me. I have never camped in the snow.
As others have pointed out, road salt is corrosive so if you value your trailer you would want to travel when road conditions are unlikely to cause salt spray. Some people park an Airstream in a private lot all winter (or all year), for example. I take early spring trips after the road salt season is over.

In general you can't run the furnace unless you have an electric site or a generator.
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Old 11-16-2012, 02:48 PM   #35
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We were camped next to some folks with an Artic Fox in Yellowstone, and they were telling us about how it is good in cold weather. However, I noticed the drain valve setup and dump valves looked just like our Airstream, so I'm not sure what is different there. I couldn't see any obvious heat tape or anything, and didn't see the owner again to ask him.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:00 PM   #36
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In a few hours we'll be on the road to Three Rivers. The forecast turned on us and it looks like rain for the entire weekend. I figured snow camping...or rain camping in our case, would be a trip my husband and I would take by ourselves when our son and dog could go to grandpa's house for the weekend. Has anyone ever met a child or Labrador that knows how to stay out of puddles?
I considered leaving the dog for this trip, but the poor fellow, he has aluminitus too. We took one trip without him and he got extremely depressed. When the As is home, he sleeps by the door now so we can't get by him without his noticing.
Wish us luck on our rainy weekend. Let's see what kind of a muddy mess we can make out of our TT.
I don't think you will have snow in 3 Rivers, too low altitude. But, please watch your child, those rivers are very dangerous, especially when it rains, or during spring thaw. Ask me how I know. (I used to fly fish for trout in the 3 rivers area).
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:39 PM   #37
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We winter camp in northern Ohio every year....it is great fun, but one must pick the weekend carefully to avoid caustic chemicals on the road, snow and ice, and other hazards. But if the campground is open for the winter, and two are in Ohio with another four inIndiana and the bathrooms are heated, the all is ready for you to see the outdoors in a whole new way. Bundle up with lots of outdoor winter wear and fill your propane tanks for the furnace, include an electric ceramic heater if you like, and head on out for a fun weekend...oh and don't forget the firewood...best part of winter camping
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Old 11-16-2012, 04:25 PM   #38
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We were camped next to some folks with an Artic Fox in Yellowstone, and they were telling us about how it is good in cold weather. However, I noticed the drain valve setup and dump valves looked just like our Airstream, so I'm not sure what is different there. I couldn't see any obvious heat tape or anything, and didn't see the owner again to ask him.
Arctic Fox are said to have somewhat better insulation than most SOBs, and they offer double-pane glass windows as an option (or used to). Other than an enclosed belly pan, I don't know if they have any special protection for the plumbing.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:32 PM   #39
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I have an Airstream and live in Mammoth Lakes, CA (ski resort in the eastern Sierra Mountains.) I have stayed in it with temps down to 10-15 deg. F. You need to take the usual precautions mentioned above. Both Mammoth Lakes and South Lake Tahoe have RV parks open in the winter with full hook-ups. The most important one is electric - take a good electric heater and make sure you have at least two CO detectors if you use the furnace or Olympian type heaters. I have made extensive modifications to my 2012 Flying Cloud for winter camping. Contact me if you want additional info.

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I don't think you will have snow in 3 Rivers, too low altitude. But, please watch your child, those rivers are very dangerous, especially when it rains, or during spring thaw. Ask me how I know. (I used to fly fish for trout in the 3 rivers area).
We weren't expecting any snow in Three Rivers, definitely too low. The river is very low now. I left my fly fishing gear at home. Our son is only 4 years old, so we don't let him get out of sight.
This is our second time at this campground. We are at Sequoia RV Ranch. We were here in May, picked out the best site and made a reservation for this weekend. It's really beautiful right now. All the leaves are changing. Also, there's a meteor show this particular weekend and hope to catch some of it.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:29 PM   #42
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I have an Airstream and live in Mammoth Lakes, CA (ski resort in the eastern Sierra Mountains.) I have stayed in it with temps down to 10-15 deg. F. You need to take the usual precautions mentioned above. Both Mammoth Lakes and South Lake Tahoe have RV parks open in the winter with full hook-ups. The most important one is electric - take a good electric heater and make sure you have at least two CO detectors if you use the furnace or Olympian type heaters. I have made extensive modifications to my 2012 Flying Cloud for winter camping. Contact me if you want additional info.

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Hi, Bill. Maybe you could start a new thread and tell/show us what you did to your trailer for winter camping.
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