Airstream Chat Room Airstream Links Campground & Product Reviews Airstream Classifieds Airstream Articles Blogs Photo Gallery Forum Listings Portal - Home Page

Go Back   Airstream Forums > Airstream Community Forums > Full-Timing & Winter Living > Winter Living



Check out our new sister site AirstreamArticles.com. To contribute an article click here.


Quick Links
- Forum Listings
- Register - it's FREE!
- View Member's Map
- Airstream Articles
- "Live" Chat Room
- View Classifieds
- Post a Classified
- Airstream @ eBay
- Upcoming Rallies
   - Add A Rally
- Rally Discussions
- Repair Discussions
- Search Forums
- Member List
- AIR # Directory
- Member Search
- Profile Photos
- Airstream Photo
- Airstream Links
- Fun & Games
- WBCCI Websites
- WBCCI Unit Forums
- Courtesy Parking
- Campgrounds
- Support & FAQs
- Community Policies
- Helpers Needed




Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-02-2008, 07:28 PM   #1
proliner
New Member
Profile:  Currently Looking...
Salisbury , Connecticut
Posts: 1

LPG Question from wannibe

I do not currently own an airstream, although I am actively looking. My brother owns a SOB MH. He told me there is an additive that is put into LPG in the north so that it doesn't freeze... As in, don't buy southern LPG as it will cause a freeze up in the winter in the north. Is he pulling my leg, or is he a victim of a running pratical joke....
proliner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2008, 08:34 PM   #2
azflycaster
Moderator

azflycaster's Avatar
Profile:  1975 25' Tradewind
Phoenix , Arizona
Posts: 5,667
Images: 58

Propane freezes at -187 Celsius, that's -304 Fahrenheit.
__________________
Richard

Charter Member Four Corners Unit
azflycaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2008, 09:02 PM   #3
Shacksman
4 Rivet Member

Shacksman's Avatar
Profile:  1967 22' Safari
1960 28' Ambassador
Avonton , Ontario
Posts: 268

Quote:
Originally Posted by azflycaster View Post
Propane freezes at -187 Celsius, that's -304 Fahrenheit.
I'm living in Canada, eh. Where do I get the antifreeze?
__________________
Doug
WBCCI #3327 - VAC
73 Argosy
67 Safari
60 Ambassador Int.
Shacksman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2008, 09:06 PM   #4
TBRich
Rivet Master
Commercial Vendor

TBRich's Avatar

Profile:  2006 19' Safari SE
Tucson , Arizona
Posts: 1,293
Images: 58

Quote:
Originally Posted by azflycaster View Post
Propane freezes at -187 Celsius, that's -304 Fahrenheit.
I don't think we have to worry, eh, Richard??
__________________
TB & Greg...and The Girls—Annie & Sadie

NEW! Visit AZBambi Décors: http://www.tbrich.com/azbambi/decors.html

Visit our Travel Log: http://www.tbrich.com/azbambi/trips.html
TBRich is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2008, 09:07 PM   #5
2airishuman
Rivet Master

2airishuman's Avatar
Profile: 
Posts: 5,843

Quote:
Originally Posted by proliner View Post
He told me there is an additive that is put into LPG in the north so that it doesn't freeze...
hi 'liner and welcome to the forums...

u are allowed 9 more posts before buying a 'stream is required....

i've read that the formulation for liquified petroleum gas (the p doesn't stand for propane) does change from season to season...

in part to improve the freezing point and for other reasons...

here is a VERY basic reference on the issue...

lpgas-wiki-fied....

cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.johnson

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2008, 10:55 PM   #6
lewster
Rivet Master
Commercial Vendor

lewster's Avatar
Profile:  2006 19' International CCD
Marco Island, FL , Hood River, OR
Posts: 3,081

Quote:
Originally Posted by proliner View Post
I do not currently own an airstream, although I am actively looking. My brother owns a SOB MH. He told me there is an additive that is put into LPG in the north so that it doesn't freeze... As in, don't buy southern LPG as it will cause a freeze up in the winter in the north. Is he pulling my leg, or is he a victim of a running pratical joke....
proliner,

The 'additive' to which you refer might be the ethyl mercaptan, which gives the LPG it's distinctive odor. Otherwise, it has no smell to warn you of a leak!

Pure LPG is often 'blended' with butane with the blend varying by geographic location and the seasons. Butane is cheaper than LPG, which is why it's used as a blending agent, but it freezes at 32* F, so you have to watch out when filling tanks in a warm (read South) location and then traveling to the cold, cold North! I get calls on this problem every winter when the Snowbirds go home early and lose the use of their LP appliances due to the large amount of butane used in FL.
__________________
Lew Farber - contact
Certified Master RV Tech

BACK IN THE 'HOOD' FOR A WHILE !!
"Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez"
www.islandmetalworks.com

WBCCI #1032/VAC (assoc) #1032
AIR # 10325
CHARTER MEMBER: FOUR CORNERS UNIT
lewster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 09:42 AM   #7
Fyrzowt
Rivet Master

Fyrzowt's Avatar

Profile:  2000 25' Safari
Templeton , California
Posts: 6,392
Images: 8

Quote:
Originally Posted by lewster View Post
proliner,

The 'additive' to which you refer might be the ethyl mercaptan, which gives the LPG it's distinctive odor. Otherwise, it has no smell to warn you of a leak!

Pure LPG is often 'blended' with butane with the blend varying by geographic location and the seasons. Butane is cheaper than LPG, which is why it's used as a blending agent, but it freezes at 32* F, so you have to watch out when filling tanks in a warm (read South) location and then traveling to the cold, cold North! I get calls on this problem every winter when the Snowbirds go home early and lose the use of their LP appliances due to the large amount of butane used in FL.
So - do you have to make fuel/air mixture adjustments between the two fuels, or does the temperature handle that...provided you purchase it in the proper climate?
I hope my question is clear
Dave
__________________
AIR #15800

"Wimpy" 1/2 ton 2002 GMC Sierra 4X4 Z-71 Gasser
2000 Safari SS 25'
Fyrzowt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 10:27 AM   #8
Wayne&Sam
4 Rivet Member

Wayne&Sam's Avatar

Profile:  2007 20' Safari SE
Cuddebackville , NY
Posts: 471
Images: 12

When I was a boy, we had snow 12 feet deep, walked to school- uphill both ways- and it frequently got down to -304. But those were the good old days.
Wayne&Sam is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2008, 10:44 AM   #9
olddog299
2 Rivet Member

olddog299's Avatar

Profile:  1990 25' Excella
Currently Looking...
Glenburn , Maine
Posts: 54

Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fyrzowt View Post
So - do you have to make fuel/air mixture adjustments between the two fuels, or does the temperature handle that...provided you purchase it in the proper climate?
I hope my question is clear
Dave
As a resident of the "cold,cold North" it's best to burn off your tanks by mid-Fall during bird hunting / leaf-peeping season and refill with some fresh, Northern-blended fuel. I fell prey to this problem on the way to Louisiana last year during a cold snap in Tennessee. It disappeared when I got to Mississippi...

No adjustment is required - just avoid the issue by having your tanks filled in autumn. The biggest part of the problem is when tanks are low and the humidity level is high just at or near the freezing point of water. To make sure I have "fresh" fuel, I use a gas thief arrangement to provide gas for a lantern and my BBQ. Even with 30 pound tanks, it is easy enough to use up the "old" gas over the summer.
__________________

wil


AIR 22828
olddog299 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 09:33 PM   #10
canadianguy
2 Rivet Member
Profile:  Currently Looking...
Red Deer , Alberta
Posts: 29

Quote:
Originally Posted by lewster View Post
The 'additive' to which you refer might be the ethyl mercaptan, which gives the LPG it's distinctive odor. Otherwise, it has no smell to warn you of a leak!
I don't think ethyl mercaptan is added to LPG. Ethyl mercaptan is a whole lot nastier smelling than the leaking LPG I've smelled. It is added to natural gas for leak detection purposes though.

I've used propane down to about -10 without trouble, but it can get cold enough that the pure propane with no butane at all can still gel up. It doesn't have to freeze, it just has to get cold enough that it will liquify without any compression at all.
canadianguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2008, 10:40 PM   #11
ROBERTSUNRUS
Rivet Master

ROBERTSUNRUS's Avatar

Profile:  2005 25' Safari
Lakewood , California
Posts: 1,221
Images: 18

Hi, according to the link 2air posted, [post #5] "A powerful odorant, Ethanethiol" is used for propane.
__________________
Bob

2005 Safari 25-B
"Le Petit Chateau Argent"
[ Small Silver Castle ]
2000 Navigator / Equal-i-zer / P-3
YAMAHA 2400 / AIR #12144
ROBERTSUNRUS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2008, 04:59 AM   #12
Pick
Moderator

Pick's Avatar
Profile:  1972 31' Sovereign
High Springs , Florida
Posts: 2,162
Images: 36

Quote:
Butane is cheaper than LPG, which is why it's used as a blending agent
Ahhhh, that's why propane costs twice as much here in Florida. Twice the profit!

Local RV places are up to $4 for bulk fill. Propane distributors are closer to $5.
__________________
CP 9 miles off Exit 399, I75.
2003 GMC 2500HD 4X4 D/A Ext. Cab
Propane Powered Honda EU2000i
Lots of Hot Sauce!
Air # 283
Pick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2008, 10:03 AM   #13
lewster
Rivet Master
Commercial Vendor

lewster's Avatar
Profile:  2006 19' International CCD
Marco Island, FL , Hood River, OR
Posts: 3,081

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fyrzowt View Post
So - do you have to make fuel/air mixture adjustments between the two fuels, or does the temperature handle that...provided you purchase it in the proper climate?
I hope my question is clear
Dave
NOPE!

No adjustments are necessary to your air/fuel mix to accomodate alternative LP blends.

Glad I'm in the Pac NW now, where LP is $2.49-2.79 a gallon and I need a double tank fill.

What's with FL anyway? Diesel was consistently $.40-.50/ga,llon above premium. Here in OR, it's between a dime and a quarter more.

I STILL think it's a CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
__________________
Lew Farber - contact
Certified Master RV Tech

BACK IN THE 'HOOD' FOR A WHILE !!
"Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez"
www.islandmetalworks.com

WBCCI #1032/VAC (assoc) #1032
AIR # 10325
CHARTER MEMBER: FOUR CORNERS UNIT
lewster is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Anyone done an LPG conversion? Boom Sounds Classic Motorhomes 14 07-04-2008 03:47 PM
Lpg regulations. boatdoc LP Gas, Piping, Tanks & Regulators 8 03-26-2007 11:48 AM
LPG Lines. boatdoc LP Gas, Piping, Tanks & Regulators 2 01-23-2007 08:34 PM
What to do with these 40 lb LPG Tanks Davydd LP Gas, Piping, Tanks & Regulators 23 12-05-2003 08:12 PM
lpg regulators gjohnson Parts Archive 2 06-17-2003 10:26 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0.1

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:10 AM.

Other Social Knowledge forum communities:
Cooking Forum - Sailing Forum - Early Retirement - Airstream Trailer - Aquarium Forum - Royal Forum - Book Forum - Yoga Forum - Volkswagen Touareg Forum - Jeep Wrangler Forum - Whitewater Kayaking & Rafting Forum - Fiberglass RV Forum - U2 Forum
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.

eXTReMe Tracker

Other recommended Airstream sites:
Airstream Forums - Airstream Classifieds - Airstream Articles
Airstream Central - Airstream Photos