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Old 12-09-2008, 05:15 PM   #1
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Advice needed from coldweather folk.

Hey all, I am from the "it's a dry heat state" and am looking for a little advice for this next weekend. I am a big fan of the 115 degree temps that we have down here and am not a big traveler to the colder parts during the winter months (maybe a 2 hour trip to see snow then back home quickly). So my plan for this weekend may be a bust if you all think it's a bad idea. My mother is having her 70th birthday at a cabin up north in Happy Jack because it is the only time we can all get together at the same time and same place. The cabin is about 1200 sq ft and there are 26 of us that she is directly responsible for so it's gonna be cramped. My plan was to take the "Galactica" up for me and the boys to sleep in (probably 6 of us). The weather currently is mid 50's during day and mid teens at night. If I have a space heater going on the inside for the whole time should I worry about the freezing in my pipes and drains, they should already be pretty much empty but don't know about residual water. What is the main concern for driving in the cold weather or should I just leave her home and be up close and personal with the familia?
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Old 12-09-2008, 05:23 PM   #2
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If you have shore power you will be fine. The gas furnace eats power, but if you have a place to plug in you'll be gold. The space heater is good, too.

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Old 12-09-2008, 05:36 PM   #3
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Just make sure you keep the space heater set low enough the furnace actually runs. The air blowing into the tanks is what keeps them from freezing. Fresh and waste.
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Old 12-09-2008, 05:51 PM   #4
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Thanks for the input but I forgot to mention that my furnace has not been replaced yet. Does that make it a huge problem?
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Leipper has posted about measuring temperatures inside an Airstream that sat overnight in temps that dipped into the low 20s -- they were still above freezing at floor level inside the next morning. I think it's important to say this would be if there was above freezing weather the evening before. You'd want a bit of thermal inertia working for you. Have a small thermometer that you can place at floor level in the pipe areas under your cabinets.

Your furnace ducts intentionally run alongside the water pipes at floor level. Furnace air is also ducted below the floor to your tanks I would believe -- at least certainly was the case in my '74 Argosy. Running the furnace is the most failsafe way of having these areas stay warm.

I probably wouldn't worry about running the furnace while towing unless the temperatures was 5 degrees or more below freezing. Same deal - put a thermometer next to the pipes that you can monitor on various stops down the road.

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Just make sure you keep the space heater set low enough the furnace actually runs. The air blowing into the tanks is what keeps them from freezing.
Scratchin' my head over this one... A space heater would cut out your best plumbing protection - your furnace. You'll do fine running your furnace if you have a 120 volt plugin and full LP tanks -- don't need a 30A plugin either -- a 30A > 15A adapter works well for running your furnace, fridge, etc. Just not the A/C. Bring good bedding. Don't set the thermostat to 70 or else the furnace will run way to often and use up a lot more LP. Drink a glass of water before bed so that you can check that thermometer down by the pipes again in the middle of the night. I set my thermostat at or just below 60 and 30# of LP lasts about a week running at nights only -- results may vary, I might be off 50% or so -- but you get the idea. This should work out okay to use your Airstream for bunk space.
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Thanks for the input but I forgot to mention that my furnace has not been replaced yet. Does that make it a huge problem?
Ohhh... The Suburban furnace plenums didn't hold up and presented potential carbon monoxide problems.

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Old 12-09-2008, 08:39 PM   #7
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Thanks again for the input, you would think since I spent the first 10 years of my life on the East coast that I would be fond of the cold, but I have come to learn that "HOT" is uncomfortable whereas "COLD" hurts. Minn sounds like it will have a white christmas eh? I do miss the nice fireplace.
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Second suggestion, since the furnace is DOA:
Drain all water out of the trailer, fresh, waste, water heater, blow out the pipes, etc, and dry camp. Then the dead furnace won't matter. If somebody has to use the 'loo, place a plastic garbage bag in the bowl, do what you gotta do, and remove the bag every morning.
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if you are staying beside a cabin, they have a bath or a outhouse.
this can be done and a lot f fun
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ps i have been in that "dry" heat and ya'll are lying about that. Dry or no dry, it's HOT
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Old 12-09-2008, 09:49 PM   #10
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I think dry camp is the best at my level of knowledge to this point. I thank you for the heads up and actually a little less nervous about it. I will put the antifreeze in the traps and keep the space heater going. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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My weekenend property sob does ok down in the very low 20's with a pair of small electric 800w heaters...the campers however, get a bit chilly! A single 800w will keep the internal temps 25-30 degrees above outdoor and a pair will hold ya in the 60+degree inside. I've had no issues with pipes bustin and it's never been winterized.
The 50's during the day should keep things warm enough to minimize the chance of pipes bustin.
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