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Old 01-07-2009, 06:46 PM   #1
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- 26 Degrees | Everything is fine

I am back in Steamboat for my annual 30 days of skiing. First night here the temperature was -26 degrees when I woke up. I was toasty warm and no problems (knock on wood). So for all those folk who doubt the 4 season capabilities of an AS - you're not quite right. Oh - I'm not the only AS here - several full timers, as always with good advice built on experience. will post pics soon.

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Old 01-07-2009, 06:58 PM   #2
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Warm?

All I want to know is how much propane you are using at -26?! How about your tanks, not frozen? My dump valve freezes at 33F!

Enjoy yourself....
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Old 01-07-2009, 07:00 PM   #3
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+ 84 degrees today

WOW! -26 degrees and skiing.

Its 84degrees here in North Texas today and I am getting ready for the Texas Vintage Rally. Should be about 125 + other Airstreamers there. Water skis only though.
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Old 01-07-2009, 07:03 PM   #4
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You know, our 67 is presumably winterworthy, but I wouldn't trust it that far, not even here in Angel Fire, where it's been somewhat warmer than Steamboat. We're even supposed to have above-freezing temperatures tomorrow!

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Old 01-07-2009, 07:04 PM   #5
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I gotta salute that, not freezing up at -26. Be real careful about somebody doing you a favor and stopping your "dripping faucets". I had propane tank valve freeze on me before, too.
So you're practicing your skiing technique, eh? Usually you cant keep your goggles defogged at -26. Turn, turn, turn, turn, tree, turn, turn, turn, snowboarder, turn, turn, turn, turn, tree, turn, turn, turn...
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:27 PM   #6
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Oh my! Looking forward to hearing more, but glad it's you outside in the weather an not me. That is COLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi, tell us more on how to survive in cold weather and by all means, post pictures. I have never even been in + 26 degree weather yet alone minus 26 degrees. I think my lowest was +28 degrees.
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Thats darn cold.

I believe if it gets much colder, the oxide layer on your aluminum skin will start to slough off, leaving your Sovereign with a perfect mirror finish. Please report if this is true.
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Pictures will really be great - I can't imagine -26 degrees - especially here in Florida. It is currently 64 degrees in here and I have a small quartz heater going.
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Old 01-09-2009, 06:45 AM   #10
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Cold weather camping is something that I enjoy. However, I have never camped at -26 degrees. I have had trouble with condensation freezing the door shut at temps in the teens. Best of luck to you. Please report back to this forum concerning your propane usage. Have fun skiing.
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Old 01-14-2009, 09:32 PM   #11
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@SafariSS - I am using about 1 tank every 3-4 days. Oh + btw folks it has warmed up considerably - nights are in the 10 degrees range which is relatively tame.

@NevadaGeo - no dripping required, using tank with tank heater and all other plumbing is inside and warm

@markdoane - wow, that would be amazing, particularly if it aided in my re-polish this spring
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Old 01-14-2009, 09:57 PM   #12
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Glad you haven't frozen. How's the skiing? What are you doing when you are not on the hill? Have you met with the other Aistreamers? And last but not least have you got some pictures for us to see?

Have any tips for us on staying warm and winter camping?
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Old 01-14-2009, 10:03 PM   #13
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Skiing is outstanding - the unfortunate economy has made skiing during the week like being at a private mountain and the weather has been great with fresh snow almost everyday. I have met a few other Airstreamers - a couple right next to me in a 34' have been full timing here and in the summer in Tenn on the Occoee for 8 years. Another guy is living over on the island and has just begun resto of a '67

Tips - hmmm. . . .be prepared and think through the weak points in the design and fix them before you go.
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Old 01-16-2009, 04:53 PM   #14
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Tips.....keep your tips up, don't cross your skiis, keep your weight on the uphill ski, lean forward and ski aggressively. Deeper snow, weight back more. Both skiis on the same side of a tree....
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Old 01-16-2009, 05:16 PM   #15
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Only -26˚? I remember back in the good ole days when it was -106˚ when we walked to school.

Actually my record is around -35˚ or -40˚ and it does get a little chilly. Tires freeze and it takes a couple of blocks for the flat spot to loosen up if the car will start. But when it warms up to -20˚, it almost feels downright warm. At -10˚, take the gloves off and open the coat. It really does work that way and you do get used to it. One of my memories is fixing an exhaust system under a jeep at -25˚, something I never want to do again.

I'm impressed your trailer is comfy at -26˚. Did the windows frost? Plenty of houses in Colorado get frozen pipes when the temp goes that low often because of stupid construction, but even those houses should have more insulation that an Airstream.

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Old 01-16-2009, 05:55 PM   #16
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Gene - That's so weird, but you're right. After -26 the first day everything else has been relatively warm. I had a very small amount of condensation frost on the windows, but not enough to wipe away. Plumbing is almost all inside, so far so good.
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It was -42 F here on Lake Vermillion Cook, MN this morning. It has been -35 F or better for 5 days in a row now. The windows frost up as soon as it hits -20 F. Have placed hay bails around the perimeter of the trailer and piled snow up on the hay to seal it off and add a little extra insulation. Also placed a 1000 watt heater underneath just for added security. Also run two 1000 watt ceramic heaters indoors to conserve the propane. Had to utilize a 100# tank to increase the surface area of liquid propane to vaporize in tandem with a 40#. I toggle the regulator switch about every 8 hours to prevent the valve from freezing up. I am thinking of changing regulators to increase the size of the lines from the tanks to 3/8". Anyone done this before and have successful results? I use about 100# every 10 days as it is. When it is warmer, lets say above 15 F, I get about a week out of a 40# tank. This is not the most mobile setup and I had to run a 240 volt cord and split it to two 110 volt lines to support all the electric heaters. I melted one plug end before I added the 240 volt. You could do without the hay bails if you kept a few pieces of 1 1/2" high density foam insulation to cut to size for the perimeter of you AS. It would take about 2 to 2.5 4' X 8' sheets to go around a 31'. This setup provides more leeway for breaking camp. But I am here for an extended stay so the hay bails provide an R-value of 400 as opposed to 20. Oh I also ran an 800 watt heater in the rear bumper for the waste line. I only need this when it is -30 F or worse though. So. Winter camping at its best. Expect quirks to work out. Sometimes on a daily basis. Also with my AS if I leave for more than a day it is a crap shoot because the propane freeze up under a heavy load and the furnace fails to ignite. I have had to repair a burst water line.
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Wisco, you are dedicated. It sounds like you're on a job and I hope you make enough to pay for the propane.

I noticed when in northern Canada and Alaska, they don't use propane for their houses because of the experience you're having. They use fuel oil instead.

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It's been about that cold here in Alberta through a good part of December and part of
January though tonight it has warmed up to about -7. The AS, however is full of antifreeze and covered with several inches of snow-no camping for us til about May. Have fun on the slopes. Garth & Joanne Ingham
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Old 01-17-2009, 09:08 AM   #20
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I don't know whether the Canadians are posting temps in C or F. If in F, it's cold, if in C, cool.

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