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Old 04-19-2013, 03:55 PM   #1
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Why Marmoleum ?

Hi Folks

Many people are drawn to marmoleum.

I am curious why. Is it mainly because it is a green product or does it have other characteristics?

It is heavier and harder to install.

Does it wear longer the sheet vinyl? Or something else?

Thanks for your help

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Old 04-19-2013, 04:57 PM   #2
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My question exactly, right now we are leaning heavily towards regular sheet vinyl, as has been installed in our last two trailers
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Old 04-19-2013, 06:09 PM   #3
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100% natural materials, durable as all get out and looks better than any vinyl options (subjective opinion), and suits the look of an Airstream better than anything else (another subjective opinion). It'll also last at least twice as long as vinyl.
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Old 04-19-2013, 06:48 PM   #4
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Is it just pressed together paper like the old stuff? My wife has a house with the old stuff and it comes apart when it gets wet. Airstreams = Water. They are like a boat but the wet parts are on the inside.

In my opinion anything that holds and traps water is going to lead to rot and mold unless extrodinary care is taken to prevent water intrusion. This means keep it covered in a vacuum. Any water that gets under flooring is going to stay there.

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Old 04-19-2013, 09:42 PM   #5
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I used it because I couldn't find anything else that looked right for the vintage of my trailer. All of the vinyls that I found looked much too modern for our taste. I'm also confident that it is more durable than most vinyls. I'm sure that it is very water resistant. I've seen no evidence that it will absorb any water whatsoever. I'm sure it will outlive the rest of the trailer.
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:49 AM   #6
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I plan on looking at it tomorrow. See what it is all about.

I kind of hate to add another quarter inch of underlayment. That is 5 1/2 sheets. That is about 100lbs, plus the marmoleum.

I don't know what alternative will be different. Sheet vinyl will way a little less. I suspect engineered wood without the underlayment will be close but a little heavier but that is a guess.

Thanks for the input

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Old 04-20-2013, 02:16 AM   #7
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Many people are drawn to marmoleum.

I am curious why...does it have other characteristics?
1) I like the look of it - more natural, warmer colors.
2) It's more "period correct" for our 1956 trailer. Synthetic vinyl flooring didn't exist back then.
3) I hate the smell of off-gasing vinyl. Trailer is sealed up + temperature rises = the vinyl stinks.
4) More stable. Not going to stretch with the higher temps the trailer is subjected to.
5) Solid color for whole thickness - not layers of paper-like materials with a plastic coating like most inexpensive sheet vinyls.
6) More durable than most sheet vinyl. Layers don't separate & harder to gouge.
7) Nice underfoot - feels much better barefoot than the plasticky feel of vinyl.

I'm sure I can come up with more reasons...but these are the first reasons that came to my mind...we've had it in two Airstreams and are preparing to put it in our 1947 Curtis Wright Model 2 when we get around to restoring it.

Shari

P.S. We didn't add "a 1/4" of underlayment". It's not necessary if the floor is solid.
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Old 04-20-2013, 09:17 AM   #8
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Good summary. I feel the same way about off gassing.

If I too can avoid the added weight of the ply underlayment I would be happy.

I have laid many vinyl floors over the years and prepared others for others so I can prep it to professional standards if that is all it takes.

I am about to install new floors in half the trailer ( A/B marine fir plywood) the rest is in very good shape.

Have others installed Marmoleum without underlayment?

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Old 04-20-2013, 09:19 PM   #9
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Marmoleum is my favorite

Have others installed Marmoleum without underlayment?

Yes.
I epoxy the floor and "fair" it with thickened epoxy.

I use the "poured floor" instructions on page 11 of the Marmoleum installation guide.

When you read all the requirements for "warranted" or "certified" Marmoleum installation, a 3/4" plywood sub-floor in a travel trailer doesn't cut the mustard, but it is working for many folks.

I'm happy with the results so far. I love the look and feel of Marmoleum.

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Old 04-20-2013, 11:02 PM   #10
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This morning I asked why Marmoleum? I think InsideOut had me at no off gassing.

This afternoon I became an owner of a 6'7 x 24' remanent. It is a nice grey color and is going to work out well.

At about $12.50 a yard I think I scored. I guess it helps me pay for the second quart of Por 15 at $46.00

I still hate to give up carrying capacity for its added weight but I very happy I bought it.

Top's method is expensive and a lot of a work but if it yields the results he got well who can argue with that.

I would love to hear other peoples method or those of the professionals they hired.

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As a building contractor who has used Marmoleum in several projects, I give it 5 stars and a hearty thumbs up. In addition to all of the other positives mentioned, it is naturally anti-bacterial which is a plus if you have pets traveling with you. I've even used it for counter tops for this reason. If you do choose to go with underlayment, don't use the cheap luan because it has voids in it which obvoiusly will cause the flooring to fail. Approved underlayment is about $25 around here vs. $12 for luan. Make sure all fasteners, be they nails or staples are set well below the surface and fill them, as well as the seams between the sheets, with floor leveling compound. Any imperfection will "telegraph" to the flooring. The epoxy method will save weight, but if your concerned about off-gassing it might pay to check out how long it takes to cure.

I'm in the middle of rehabbing Betty's interior and will be adding underlayment throughout, with glue down cork everywhere except the bathroom where I'll install marmoleum - a nice remnant left over from a job. I would do the whole trailer with it, which brings me to my one complaint about the product, the price!

Good luck with your project, I'm sure it will look great.

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Old 04-21-2013, 11:21 AM   #12
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For the record, there is off-gassing but it isn't chemical compounds that you're breathing in. Rather, it is the natural linseed oil used in the production of linoleum.
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:57 PM   #13
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In addition to the remanent I bought for the trailer, I ended up buying a small remanent for out home bath along with the original remanent that I wanted that was just a little short for the trailer but I like the color so much I got it for another bathroom in my house. I kind of got marmoleumitis.

*Top once again I am following your lead and ordered some penetrating epoxy and will use your method. Nothing succeeds like success.

For what it is worth I wanted to go with AeroMarine products which are very highly spoken of with the boat building folks. (I have a Tolman Skiff in my future, after the AS.) I am familiar with Mas and System Three which are name brands and many have found they like Aeromarine better. Just some info, I suspect all the name brands are good. Aeromarine is nicely priced for epoxy.

AeroMarine Products - Dry Rot Repair Epoxy

Tony
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Marmoleum is great stuff.Its real linoleum.
but its expensive.
The problem with flooring a trailer is waste.
I used FLOR carpet squares.
Its very easy to install and very little waste,plus they have lots of great color,texture choices.
I realize some/most don't want carpet.
It works great for me.

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