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Old 07-19-2007, 01:46 PM   #1
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Laminate flooring over old VAT tiles?

Hi everyone Airstream...

I'm a newbie to this forum and definitely an interloper because I have an 63 Avion H24, so please don't shoot!

Has anyone put their new laminate flooring directly over the old vinyl asbestos tiles with success? The floor I have is very solid - haven't used an icepick yet, but I bet it will pass the test. Going right over the VAT would save some work and not disturb the potentially hazardous material. On the other hand, if I remove it, it will for once and for all remove the potential hazard and not add as much weight.

Trying to come to a decision here and very eager to transform this little silver loaf...so many thanks for any advice
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Old 07-19-2007, 03:11 PM   #2
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I say remove it. I have a real problem with putting new finishes over old and that goes for siding ,roofing ,flooring or anything else.The only reason to not remove the old first would be to save work. If you do need a patch here or there your going to know it and you start the new job with a nice clean slate.
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I'd say that's a good answer, craftsman.

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Don't Do It

Everytime I read a post about something in an Airstream containing asbestos is makes me cringe. Sorry I'm a commercial insurance underwriter and can't help myself.

Before you attempt this please do some reading and get some advice from a professional. The problem with asbestos is the fibers are so small and sharp that they pierce the lung lining and attach. Unlike other dust the body can't rid itself of the asbestos fiber in a normal way. So it sits there and irritates your lung forever. This is an asbestos fiber magnified about 1300X.



You might want to read this also:

Floor Tile Removal - Minnesota Dept. of Health

If it's in good shape just seal it with a good quality oil based floor paint, put your new floor down, and leave that nasty stuff alone. Just my humble opinion......
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Old 07-19-2007, 09:24 PM   #6
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definately remove it.

i'd recommend looking for a local environmental firm that will remove the asbestos and dispose of it for you. i'd imagine it'll cost a couple hundred bucks but would be money well spent.

by the way, even though asbestos poses little threat if left undisturbed, i wouldn't feel comfortable at night laying my head down, knowing asbestos is only a few feet below my head (even if it's sealed and undisturbed i still think about it everytime i laid down).

a couple hundred bucks for piece of mind is priceless.
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Dang..I purchased a new to me 1968 Airstream and some of the old tile is present in the bathroom and under the floating wood flooring in the front of the trailer under the floating wood flooring.

Am I at risk? Was abestos tiles used in that era?
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If undisturbed, the asbestos is no big deal. There is also no problem putting laminate down over top of it. If you lay the laminate as a floating floor, you don't have to worry about nailing into the VAT, nor do you need to worry about what type of adhesive to use. One potential problem with removing the VAT is that the glues used may not be easily removed from the sub-floor. This could mean ripping the heck out of the sub-floor trying to remove it and possibly needing to replace the plywood, or winding up with a rough, irregular surface on which to lay the laminate.
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Dang..I purchased a new to me 1968 Airstream and some of the old tile is present in the bathroom and under the floating wood flooring in the front of the trailer under the floating wood flooring.

Am I at risk? Was abestos tiles used in that era?
if the tile is 9"x9" and the thickness of a quarter, it's asbestos.
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My opinion - Either have a pro do the tile removal, or put the laminate on top. It's not worth the risk to your health by doing it yourself.
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Im looking at the same project with my '63 Avion T-20.
Ive been doing some extensive remodeling on our home, which was built in 1947 when everything contains asbestos. About the only the only saving grace is that its safely sealed up behind the led based paint.

The asbestos in the tile is "supposed" to be pretty well encapsulated and not as big as a threat as asbestos in duct insulation, or that popcorn stuff they put on cielings. Nevertheless, I chose to treat it as someting that can cause a horible death and decided to seal up the tiles and go with a floating floor.
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I say remove it. I have a real problem with putting new finishes over old and that goes for siding ,roofing ,flooring or anything else.The only reason to not remove the old first would be to save work. If you do need a patch here or there your going to know it and you start the new job with a nice clean slate.
I'm with this theory.

The issue with asbestos is prolonged (Years) exposure to dust. Wear a respiratior, you'll have it out in a couple of hours, with ease. What to do with the tile? Don't ask, don't tell.......

Any remaining glue can be scraped clean. A heat gun will help, or you can buy floorring glue striper. You might want to paint the ply with a good exterior primer when you get it cleaned up, as a moisture barrier.

And, go for the pad under the floating laminate.

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Yes people have died from asbestos but 1000 more have dies from smoking. The difference is there was no money to be made from stopping people from smoking.

If you want to remove the tile just don't RIP it up and form a dust cloud. A resporator if you buy the hipe. When removing asbestos material from school we wet it down to lessen the dust. Asbestos can go in a landfill for disposal.

The reason I vote for removal is you will get a chance to inspect the subfloor and repair any problems before you cover them.
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thanks everyone...

And unfortunately it seems like I'm not the only one with this problem

so is this the consensus?

either of these two methods...

1. seal it with enamel paint
2. put down foam underlayment
3. lay the floating floor

or

1. very very carefully (wearing a respirator and a disposable bunny suit)
2. wet it down to prevent airborne fibers but without damaging the subfloor
3. pry the stuff up as intact as humanly possible, trying not to either cut or scrape it and
4. seal it into a heavy duty garbage bag
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