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Old 09-06-2010, 10:25 AM   #1
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Sagging ceilings

We have a 96 34' classic ltd but we have a problem with the foam backed ceiling coverings sagging. I tried 3M spray adhesive,little luck> Best results have been double sided tape > some luck help!!
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Old 09-06-2010, 10:55 AM   #2
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This is caused by the adhesive breaking down under temperature. Believe it or not, at 90f it starts to fail. It is very expensive to have it re-glued, but can be done with a better adhesive. We had Warren Fore our WBCCI unit Pres. put short screws with caps in. The result is an upholstered look which we like, and we don't have to worry about it ever sagging again. (While in storage here this summer, the inside temp has reached 118f according to our thermometer). I know a couple of other people do similar types of work. If you are interested in Warren, he can be reached through the "Top of Georgia" website.
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Old 09-06-2010, 12:17 PM   #3
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ceiling covering sag

The problem is bad adhesive.

The Feds made Airstream use water based adhesive.

You "CANNOT" install a good adhesive over the bad and make the covering stay in place.

The new adhesive will pull away from the old adhesive.

If you want to use new adhesive, you must remove "ALL" of the old matreial from the walls "AND" from the foam that's on the backside of the vinyl wall covering. Anything short of that will not work.

However a few owners have been innovative and use screws or moldings to hold the original wall covering in place.

More often than not, all of the covering that was removed, will need to be replaced because the foam on the backside pulls off the vinyl material in small pieces, which makes the covering look lumpy if reused.

If someone is looking at a coach that has the covering "droop" it's a question of facing the "music" or passing on the deal.

It "IS" expensive to correct, if a shop does the job. Definitely a DIY project, or pass.

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Old 09-06-2010, 12:33 PM   #4
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This is caused by the adhesive breaking down under temperature. Believe it or not, at 90f it starts to fail. It is very expensive to have it re-glued, but can be done with a better adhesive. We had Warren Fore our WBCCI unit Pres. put short screws with caps in. The result is an upholstered look which we like, and we don't have to worry about it ever sagging again. (While in storage here this summer, the inside temp has reached 118f according to our thermometer). I know a couple of other people do similar types of work. If you are interested in Warren, he can be reached through the "Top of Georgia" website.
I have a 2010 trailer so I don't have the sag problem, but I am interested in the solution you used in your trailer to solve it.
When you have some time, could you post a couple of pictures of the handy work done on your ceiling? It sounds like it would look really cool!
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Please post photos. How close together did he put the screws?
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Old 09-07-2010, 09:11 AM   #6
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Thanks for the info on my sagging ceiling!! I suspected the problem was the heat!! I am going to try the screws and I to am interested i seeing some pictures to help with the placement. Again thanks to all the helpful replies. Jim Moore
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does anyone have pictures of how the sagging ceiling was screwed in place? I am on a trip and my ceiling started to drop down, I tried to use double sided carpet tape but that didn't seem to work.
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I have no pictures, but we did this several years ago. We used 5/8ths inch stainless steel self-tapping screws, made sure we stretched the foam so it fit again under the plastic strips that run across the ceilings, ran a row of screws along that to secure the foam edge, then we worked out a "quilt" pattern (make it simple, any spaced out lines will do. We tried to keep our spaces about 6-8 inches apart.) Our pattern is somewhat irregular, but who sits and studies a ceiling when on the road?! We used screw covers to keep the design "white" to match the foam and make the whole thing less noticeable. Remember, AS did this themselves on some of their trailers in the center twin bed areas, so you are continuing a tradition! Putting in the first screw was hair-raising, but you soon can drill away without concern about punching through. A word of caution: we did study wiring diagrams for the trailer and determined where wiring ran (along center ceiling down length of unit) and avoided that area for setting in screws. Best wishes on your solution of your droopy ceiling. This is an ongoing project for us as each spring we find more sections have let down so we have to go back to attach the foam in new areas. No problem ~G
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does anyone have pictures of how the sagging ceiling was screwed in place? I am on a trip and my ceiling started to drop down, I tried to use double sided carpet tape but that didn't seem to work.
Screws or batten strips are the only thing that will keep your ceilng panels in place.

Anything else is a waste of time and money, since the problem is the water based adhesive that the Fed's made Airstream use, That adhesive will release anything that may be attached to it.

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Screws or batten strips are the only thing that will keep your ceilng panels in place.

Anything else is a waste of time and money, since the problem is the water based adhesive that the Fed's made Airstream use, That adhesive will release anything that may be attached to it.

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Andy,


Have you seen this problem in newer trailers as well? Ours is a 2005, so far I don't think we have the problem but wonder if it is likely to be in our future?


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The older they get the more stuff sags! That applies to the owners also.
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Bluto and all,

I just saw the request for pics. I need to put some up of our trailer anyway. I will be back in the States this weekend and will take some photos and post them if I can figure out how I need to add some to the PP user guide thread as well. I stopped by to check on out trailer last week and the ceiling still looks great with the upholstery pattern in the ceiling. The peak temp reached inside this summer has been 118f (47.8c) and there is no evidence of additional sag. I am convinced that had we not had the ceiling screwed up, it would now all be hanging to the floor!

Pics to follow next week.
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Bluto and all,

I just saw the request for pics. I need to put some up of our trailer anyway. I will be back in the States this weekend and will take some photos and post them if I can figure out how I need to add some to the PP user guide thread as well. I stopped by to check on out trailer last week and the ceiling still looks great with the upholstery pattern in the ceiling. The peak temp reached inside this summer has been 118f (47.8c) and there is no evidence of additional sag. I am convinced that had we not had the ceiling screwed up, it would now all be hanging to the floor!

Pics to follow next week.
I'm sure the pix will be worth the wait. Just post them on this thread when you get the chance.
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OK, finally home from Sydney and awake. I snapped some pictures of the ceiling. The first two are looking aft from the front couch. Picture one is without flash and picture two is with flash. The third and fourth are laying on the floor next to the fridge looking forward, again without and then with flash.

The ones without flash are much more realistic as to what you see with the naked eye. I used the flash in order to get it to stand out more. The screws/caps are spaced approximately 11 1/2" apart, and the rows are 6" apart. Warren has learned over time just where to start the sequence in order to miss all of the in ceiling wiring.

After a couple of days we didn't even notice the pattern anymore, just that our ceiling didn't sag any longer! As I mentioned in an earlier post we are very happy that we had it done. For us it provided a permanent and visually pleasing solution to an ugly problem. When we originally solicited quotes to fix the ceiling by removing the original material, cleaning off the old glue, new material, and glue, it was $1000 per panel. With three panels drooping and one which had come loose at the seam and was hanging way down, $3000 was more than we could afford.
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