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Old 07-27-2013, 12:19 PM   #1
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Queen to Twin Conversion - 25' FB SE

Hi.

Our 2008 25 FB SE has been our vacation home on many trips now.

My wife has noted that her sleeps are often interrupted by my attempting to grope my way to the bathroom in the middle of the night & the tight configuration of the front BR. On our last trip down the US West Coast while we were sitting enjoying the view, she casually let it slip that she wished that we had bought a twin bed configuration instead of the Queen.

I thought "Sure, why not?" I'll replace the carpet too... starting us on a 400+ hour project after we discovered major leaks in the aft part of the unit etc... Thanks to this forum, my search on 'new flooring' brought me to realize that we could have wet floors underneath the vinyl.

Anyways, with leaks fixed, new floor, new countertops, etc.it was time to tackle the bedroom conversion.

I did a few searches on 'Queen to Twin conversions' & welcomed any pics & descriptions I found for ideas, so thought it might be useful to post a few details of what we have done.

We started with this:


and ended up with this:


After the rest of the trailer was done (leaks fixed, flooring in, cabinets replaced etc.) it was time to tackle the bedroom:

First job; clean up the clutter...

There were a few issues that needed thought.

It didn't make sense to me to have the heating duct opening at the aft side of the bedroom. (I also thought running the Bathroom duct underneath the floor was a poor plan so attempted to rectify that during this conversion.)

I wanted to install an inverter which needed a home somewhere under a bed.

I also wanted us to try and keep as much storage under the beds as possible with access not limited by the doors coming down to the floor etc. Tambour doors made the most sense to me.









The Bedside table...made up of recycled drawers etc.:


I elected to add a second level. AC power & 12V power underneath the upper deck:




To reduce light leaking around the windows & to improve privacy, I built valances around the windows. Plywood covered with scraps from the mattress cover "denim":





Anyways...

We are happy with the new configuration.

We are sleeping better..





I hope this is helpful to anyone else contemplating a similar job.

-evan
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That is a fantastic job. If I had ability to do that quality of work, I could have solved our major issue in our existing 2013 25FB International Serenity trailer which is the cross bed.

Our solution was to order a 2014 27FB Classic with twin beds which has solid hickory cabinetry.
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Beautiful work! Looks great!
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Eheffa,

Thanks so much for posting this. We have a 2006 FB, and we've had similar discussions about converting to twin beds. Your pictures and descriptions will be most helpful should we decide to do it eventually. You did incredible work - it looks marvelous! I'm very impressed.
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That is a fantastic job. If I had ability to do that quality of work, I could have solved our major issue in our existing 2013 25FB International Serenity trailer which is the cross bed.

Our solution was to order a 2014 27FB Classic with twin beds which has solid hickory cabinetry.
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Eheffa,

Thanks so much for posting this. We have a 2006 FB, and we've had similar discussions about converting to twin beds. Your pictures and descriptions will be most helpful should we decide to do it eventually. You did incredible work - it looks marvelous! I'm very impressed.

Thank you for your kind comments.

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Thanks Evan for the inspiration....
I have a 27FB and will someday do the same...Are the mattresses foam?
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We don't have that problem.

Hi, in our rear queen 25'er we don't have that problem; I sleep closest to the hall way so I can get up without disturbing my wife. And she just climbs over me and I'm OK with that. But you did a wonderful job on yours. You were also creative in the fact that you re-used many of the factory queen bed frame parts in your change over. [something that I would have done too] Nice job on relocating the furnace ducts too.
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We sold our SOB trailer with a queen like that for that reason. We purchased a 28' Safari '05 rear queen which dos not have that issue.
Beautiful work! I do see the advantages of that configuration.
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Thanks Evan for the inspiration....
I have a 27FB and will someday do the same...Are the mattresses foam?
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Thanks Dennis,

Yes the mattresses are medium density foam and were made up by a local foam shop specializing in marine & RV mattresses.

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Hi, in our rear queen 25'er we don't have that problem; I sleep closest to the hall way so I can get up without disturbing my wife. And she just climbs over me and I'm OK with that. But you did a wonderful job on yours. You were also creative in the fact that you re-used many of the factory queen bed frame parts in your change over. [something that I would have done too] Nice job on relocating the furnace ducts too.
Thank you Robert.

I prefer to be near the fresh air window so was on the window side. I thought I was remarkably subtle & adept at sneaking to the Bathroom at night but my good wife seemed to not share that high opinion of my cat-burgler skills...

I did try and reuse as much of the original materials from the Queen bedroom as I could. I wanted it to look like it came from the factory as a twin. (To anyone in the know - it's obvious that it didn't but no harm in trying...)

It would have been very difficult to find those nice round radiused plywood corners.

We haven't had a chance to try out the furnace much yet with the new duct configurations. It's been too hot. (I was very surprised to see how much furnace air was being ducted down into the underbelly tanks. I added shutoff valves to keep this happening by default to be opened only when freezing temperatures were in the forecast - but this is stuff for another post maybe.)

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We sold our SOB trailer with a queen like that for that reason. We purchased a 28' Safari '05 rear queen which dos not have that issue.
Beautiful work! I do see the advantages of that configuration.
Thanks Kosm1o,

I have to say that I didn't even consider the twin option when we were looking to buy our unit but there are a number of advantages of this configuration:

- More space for the two sleepers.

- Less disturbance to each other at night when moving about.

- Two less intimate campers can sleep there without feeling "cramped".

- The entire unit fells a lot bigger inside with more room to walk the length of the floor.

- Easier access to storage.

- More room to stand up & change clothes dress etc.

Disadvantages?

- less cuddly

(Not an insurmountable issue however )

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Evan,
You did a great job! The PO did a similar change to ours. What I really like is the new access to 12V and AC. I have an extension cord running from the outlet near the television (we do not have the BR TV), around the closest twin behind the night table for use of CPAP by furthest twin when 12V is needed. The AC outlet is below the mattress level of that twin which is awkward. How complicated was it to relocate those outlets above the night table?
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