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Old 04-18-2005, 08:23 PM   #1
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New Project

We have a new project in mind and we could use a little help with the advanced study.
I am looking for dimensional information on 1960, 70 and 80 model trailers.
I need to see where the various non-movable items are located in a trailer.
Things like the physical position of the doors and their width, position of the windows and wheel wells..
CAD drawings or something with dimensions would be what I'm looking to find.
Any help out there?
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Gary,

No help other than to mention that when they built them (50, 70, or 80) The only thing that was fixed is where the door is because of the way the C channel has to be planned for the gap.

I remember seeing somewhere that Airstream skins the WHOLE shell, ten cuts the windows in. So they could be moved if you have exterior skin to either fill in or replace the entire side sheet.

I believe that the door and the tank locations are the only engineered in items in the frame/shell combo. Remember the tank location and capacity have a bearing on the location of the axles to effect the tongue weight.
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Old 04-19-2005, 07:11 AM   #3
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Talking 76 manual

I have a PDF file of a '76 Airstream manual. PM me with your E-mail address if the example attached helps, there are several pages I can send you?

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Old 04-19-2005, 02:14 PM   #4
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I'm biting...

Gary, I remember a while ago, Gerbelmania (sp?) had posted pics of his trailer (I believe it was 70's ish 25-26ft) that he had created in a Cad/Cam program. He did offer to email the disk and data on it to various people. Maybe he can help?

Now the project..... if I'm reading yours (and Janet's) mind right, you want to re-create a 25ft CCD? (with a ADA shower, of course!) What do you guys have in mind?
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Hi Marc,

I think you mean Gerbermania, he has a real cool CAD Drawing as Avatar...

If anyone has a CAD File, I am looking for CAD Files too.

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Old 04-19-2005, 04:37 PM   #6
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really rough draft

Ok - here it is really rough - we need a 25 footer for this and a sack full of money. The idea is to have good social space, roomy wetbath and decent bed.

We saw a rear entry argosy a few years ago with a L dinette (table removable) - it was great! Gary says he's up for new holding tanks and pocket doors ....
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Ok - here it is really rough - we need a 25 footer for this and a sack full of money. The idea is to have good social space, roomy wetbath and decent bed.

We saw a rear entry argosy a few years ago with a L dinette (table removable) - it was great! Gary says he's up for new holding tanks and pocket doors ....
I have a couple of files I can send ya, I just PM'd the Mr.

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cool...

Janet - do you guys want measurements on a 26ft Argosy? I think I know where one may be!
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Old 04-19-2005, 08:43 PM   #9
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Red face The way it should be.

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Janet - do you guys want measurements on a 26ft Argosy? I think I know where one may be!
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You Betcha, We re looking at all platforms at the moment.

On the way home from the rally last week end we were talking about trailer layouts and think we finally figured out what some of the problems are with trailer design.
It seems that the designers put a lot of emphasis on storage and kitchens
and always the end to end hallway. YUK! The bath rooms are always so small
and the beds not very user friendly.

We came up with the rough layout as shown in Janets post.
1.) Not a Park Model, only 25' Which gives you a 22' shell, very towable.
2.) A big bed room and bed, some thing you can get in and out of without having to crawl over each other.
3.) A large bathroom/ Wetbath, one were your knees don't hit the wall.
4.) The living space is large relative to the rest of the trailer with space for company to sit. The table mounts into the floor and can be removed to give additional seating for conversation.
5.) No Hallway from one end of the trailer to the other.
6.) The kitchen isn't all that big but it has all you need, Sink, Stove/Oven and Refer.

If the trailer manufacturers don't glom onto these ideas they are idiots.
Maybe...
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....we need a 25 footer for this and a sack full of money. The idea is to have good social space, roomy wetbath and decent bed....
Very nice layout Janet. It would be nice to do a CAD walk through somehow


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That's a great idea, I love the floorplan! The only problem I see with it is that much of the trailer design seems to revolve around dealing with the area where the wheelwells protrude into the living space. I think in your design the wheelwells would fall under the bath (which probably wouldn't be too bad), but it would get in the way of your entrance to the bedroom. Depends on exactly where it falls.
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:19 PM   #12
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We like it!

Guys, I'm really digging this layout. It's close to what I could do with our trailer.... Mona and I were looking to do something else with our layout ("while we were at it...."), and was contemplating the back bedroom idea. I'll measure my trailer this week and let you know. I wish I was a better draftsperson though.
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I was at Darol's today dropping off the Caravel and he had me take some pictures of his Excella for him. It's a 25' 1980 model I think. If it would help, I could probably take some measurements for you when I go pick up the Caravel later this week. Let me know.

Don't know where you are going to find the sack of money though
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let's see if this works...

Gerbermania's photos (cad/cam work)

Neat stuff!
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Ok - here it is really rough - we need a 25 footer for this and a sack full of money. The idea is to have good social space, roomy wetbath and decent bed.

We saw a rear entry argosy a few years ago with a L dinette (table removable) - it was great! Gary says he's up for new holding tanks and pocket doors ....
Hello Janet,

While your drawing looks very nice, it does have one major flaw - you forgot the huge wheel wells of the 25ft double axle trailers.
Right where your walkway veres to the streetside would be the rear end of the streetside wheel well. Hence, the central hallway feel of the 70's trailers.
Not only are the weel wells substantially bigger than on single axle trailers, they are also pretty far back.
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we thought some about that - we were thinking of having a half high storage cabinet in that hall space - streetside - It would mostly cover wheel wells - hall doen't need to be 2 wide. - same in bath - mount toilet in corner and sink over wheels - just a thought.
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we thought some about that - we were thinking of having a half high storage cabinet in that hall space - streetside - It would mostly cover wheel wells - hall doen't need to be 2 wide. - same in bath - mount toilet in corner and sink over wheels - just a thought.
I love your idea, and was close to doing it to our Tradewind 2 years ago, until I started measuring things, and kept running into the wheel wells.
You "might" get away with this if you get a 70's Overlander, since this gives you about a foot more room to the rear.

I am doing the half height storage cabinet over the wheel well in the Overlander project, with a 6in shelf above the window with lights underneath.

Have you thought about doing a front bedroom? It's very easy to add windows to the rear for more air and light.
Either way, it would be a huge project, not impossible, just a lot of work.
There's stuff everywhere in these trailers, which most of it would have to be relocated.
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I don't think you could do a front bedroom without doing the bed against the wall, like a 22 CCD. Otherwise you would open the door and the bed would be right there. Otherwise that would help put the wheelwells under cabinets and the dinette, where they wouldn't be in the way. It's an interesting idea. You need one of those rear-door Argosys!

I love your layout. To me the bigger trailers waste a lot of space in storage. I'm sure if you're living in it, you can't have enough storage, but the way we use ours, we don't need so much. I hate the way mid-bedrooms models with a double have a wall of cabinets across from the bed. Seems like overkill to me.
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To me the bigger trailers waste a lot of space in storage. I'm sure if you're living in it, you can't have enough storage, but the way we use ours, we don't need so much. I hate the way mid-bedrooms models with a double have a wall of cabinets across from the bed. Seems like overkill to me.
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How can you waste space in storage? I guess I don't understand your idea.
We have the wall of cabs across from the bed, and ( my wife) need every inch of it. The built in dresser with the pull out drawer bins is very handy.
It's nice to keep things in the trailer at all times, and just bring your food and take off. No suitcase or duffle bags, no clutter.
I guess it depends, too, on where you go. This wall of cabinets fills up quickly if you need to bring down jackets or extra blankets, or even hiking and biking gear.
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I agree with Stef.... most 25 - 28 footers I've seen have way more storage than we need. We don't fulltime, usually going for a few days at a time or a week. We have, in our minuet, almost enough storage now. Although - if we had more I could go shopping.... hmm...
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