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Old 02-23-2007, 05:20 PM   #15
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Mold

Hmmm, I believe the black on the polish rag is oxidation of the aluminum and not mold.

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Old 02-23-2007, 05:36 PM   #16
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David- Rest assured that IS NOT mold! As mentioned above, it is aluminum dust. We have two spot in our safari suffering the same problem. When we were at JC for service last September we brought up the problem to our friend Tim maxwell, who knows our unit very well [long story, happy ending]. What appears to happen is that there are areas where they apply a tape over the rivits on the inside before applying the wall rug. There are some points where there is a lot of movement when traveling, the glue comes undone in those locations and the the rug wears through the tape. We still have not found a secret to cleaning it and I believe the only way to get it our will be to use a very, very strong vaccum since any cleaning agent is only going to spread it.
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Old 02-23-2007, 07:41 PM   #17
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Aluminum Corrosion

Folks,

Aluminum corrosion is a very interesting topic. A quick google search "aluminum Corrosion" yeilds interesting results and a lot of variables of its causes. Below are but two of many interesting links.

Aluminum corrosion

Corrosion of Aluminum and Aluminum Alloys
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Old 02-23-2007, 08:50 PM   #18
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we've provided this info before and here it is again...

almost every surface stain on the mouse fur (ozite) is cleaned by

the 'soak and rinse and blot and repeat' method using a suitable solvent, surfactant or water...


http://www.hytex.com/pdf/oziterib_cleaning.pdf


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I believe the only way to get it our will be to use a very, very strong vaccum since any cleaning agent is only going to spread it.
the black dust is continually generated...

as interior panels rub together and interior rivets jiggle.

IF all of the seams were taped well before the ozite rib fabric goes up,

the black would not come through, but there aren't many taped.

just peel off the ozite. no tape, no tape no tape....

using a strong vacumn will ONLY make the discoloration in the ozite...

worse, if the vacumn'n is over an aluminum seam/overlap or rivet head....

if you doubt this, just use your strong vacumn over a seam...

where this ozite is unstained and normal colored.

shazam! now it is black! you just gave your mouse fur a hickey!

trust me, i completely ruined brand new ozite doing exactly this 15 years ago...

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these black metal stains can also leach to the surface of the ozite along with water...

in other words IF there is an exterior leak, or heavy condensation, or other sources of water...

the water can come out at select interor skin junctions and bring black stuff.

imagine a vista view window covered with beads of condesation...

which eventually goes down into the window frame and back out to the surface below the window...

then a week later...a black stain along the panel seams appears.

so using a vacumn isn't the only way it get black ozite.

just the quickest way.
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Old 03-30-2008, 10:52 PM   #19
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I have this aluminum "dust" coming out of the headliner on to the counters of my recently purchased 22' Safari (2005) and several of the spots on fuzzy ceiling. Is the only real fix to pull the material and retape the seams? I'm surprised that so much is generated.

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I don't think it's actually true oxidation, but rather a fine dust of aluminum where two componants are rubbing together. Kinda like hinges in houses...they can create a very fine dust that can be seen on the carpet or floor beneath them.

Vacuuming draws the dust through the seams and catching the dust in the fuzzy stuff. Like around diffusers in office buildings, the dirt & dust gets caught on the tiles.

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Hi Shari; I just found this post and I must second your opinion. While aluminum can oxidize on the surface leaving white/gray crusty film, the black dust comes only from friction of aluminum against aluminum. As aluminum is ground into powder it turns into a black dust. I cannot comment if in this particular case is not mold. Mold however has different appearance than broken down aluminum. Mold can be found on any surface showing as black specks and always have a circular type shape in the early stage. If the shading of particular area is progressive having no defined contour, chances are that aluminum dust is venting, especially if it appears in panel joint area.

The best way to prevent mold however, is to keep the trailer vented and not allow the condensation to occur. No treatment of any kind will be effective for very long time if the trailer is allowed to sweat inside. We should all know by now what causes condensation, right? Thanks, "Boatdoc"
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This is absolutely what I'm seeing. It is the aluminum dust from rubbing parts. Does any body have a fix? Is it a rebuild issue? I had an rv tech tell me to get the carpet cleaned periodically....sounds like it could make things worse. I'm guessing most AS don't have this problem, so there is something different with mine (it was stored outside Vegas so maybe excessive heat ruined the joint "tape")? Sure is ugly.
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This is absolutely what I'm seeing. It is the aluminum dust from rubbing parts. Does any body have a fix? Is it a rebuild issue? I had an rv tech tell me to get the carpet cleaned periodically....sounds like it could make things worse. I'm guessing most AS don't have this problem, so there is something different with mine (it was stored outside Vegas so maybe excessive heat ruined the joint "tape")? Sure is ugly.
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Hi BrdDog; It is impossible to recommend a solution to your problem without going visual. Chances are, that if the trailer is not leaking, the outer skins are OK. This, I am almost sure of. I would start with checking integrity of the frame and mounting of the floor/frame to the shell. If there is no indication of venting on the walls, you just may have loose bolts in the area the C channel mounting the floor/frame to the shell. However, the frame needs to be inspected first. If it is heavily rusted it will not offer sufficient support structure for the shell, and in time it will destroy it. The attachment of the shell to the frame is most critical, because that is what gives you a multi dimensional structure. It is also possible that with age plywood floor has compressed somewhat and allows the shell to vibrate during towing. Check your shocks, and running gear for proper balance. This is very critical issue in your case. You may also want to check if the cabinetry attaching fasteners and the inner walls did not become loose. Good luck, "Boatdoc"
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Do I check the bolt tightness by crawling under the trailer with a set of sockets? Since the AS is only a couple years old...
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hey dog

save your efforts.

with a 3 year new trailer, NONE of the suggestions apply. save that stuff for a OLD trailer.

the inner skin ISN'T taped at the panel overlaps.

the inner skin DOESN'T get any liquid sealant on the panel overlaps.

the inner skin doesn't get high strength rivets.

the inner skin sections move and rub against each other from DAY ONE.

this movement is everywhere, subtle and happens every time it is towed.

and results in the fine black DUST.

the problem is VISIBLE because the mouse fur is porous, so the dust bleeds.

the REAL issue is why hasn't a/s changed wall coverings to eliminate the bleed OR done ANYTHING about it...

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Do I check the bolt tightness by crawling under the trailer with a set of sockets? Since the AS is only a couple years old...
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Sorry, I did not know that your AS was only a couple of years old. "Boatdoc"
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Well with the input from 2air, I am guessing I'll put upwith it until I get so many smudges I can't stand it then replace the fuzz with something impermeable, vinyl backed to keep the aluminum filings traped out of sight. If this is an endemic problem I would expect an after market solution or is it DiY? Has anyone done this?
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It is almost impossible to prevent mold from froming inside a large tin can that has a source of moisture, whether that be human, himidity, or leaks. Since an Airstream has all 3 and there is no way you can get to all the nooks and crannies when attempting to clean the best you can do is keep it to a minimum. What a lot of fooks that live in the high humidity areas do is leave a dehumidifier on while the trailer is parked and good ventilation while your are using the trailer.
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