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Old 02-27-2019, 07:50 PM   #29
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Redo of 1971 Sovereign 31

With your skill it should be a great experience. It took me about 2 years working on the weekends to complete a redo of a 1971 31 footer. Took everything out all the way down to the axles. Replaced with new axles and built it back out completely on the inside. Tried to keep it close to vintage on the outside, but went totally comfy on the inside. Plus added a solar array and tankless HW, which is amazing. There are a lot of great places to buy parts and pieces...good luck!
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Old 02-28-2019, 08:41 AM   #30
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Pre 1975s don't have a grey tank!

Just want you to be aware, that before about 1975, Almost no trailers, including Airstreams, had grey tanks, you just let the water go on the ground. (What a muddy mess that used to be!)
Yes, you can put one in, but I understand it can be quite a challenge to find one the dimensions and capacity you want, plus getting it mounted and tied into the black tank.
One option might be to get a composting toilet, and use the black as the grey tank.
I really like the older trailers layouts and quality. You don't really need all those bells and whistles anyway, do you?
Just wanted to point that out.
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Old 02-28-2019, 10:21 AM   #31
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Good Morning.
My Name is Mike, I live in N. Colorado, and I like you wanted a fixer upper back in 2013, I did find one and have done extensive repairs, refurbishment inside and out.
Do to life changes, I have decided to put this Airstream on the market this coming spring. It is a 1970 Caravanner 25' weigh in @ 4800 lbs. and I also tow with a 2007 Dodge Ram 1500 ex cab 4dr, 5.7 Hemi w/auto trans & 3.91 rear gear.
I can tell you that I can sell this for less than what it will take to buy one and refurbish it yourself. If you are interested in mine, I can sent pics of inside and out, along with a list of what I have done since 2013. Every major component has been replaced repaired or checked over for usability and safety.
I can sell this for approx what I have invested, not counting my labor is approaching $30k.
I will leave my e-mail if you would like to contact me, I will send the above documentation.

Thank you.
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:18 PM   #32
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Just want you to be aware, that before about 1975, Almost no trailers, including Airstreams, had grey tanks, you just let the water go on the ground. (What a muddy mess that used to be!)
Yes, you can put one in, but I understand it can be quite a challenge to find one the dimensions and capacity you want, plus getting it mounted and tied into the black tank.
One option might be to get a composting toilet, and use the black as the grey tank.
I really like the older trailers layouts and quality. You don't really need all those bells and whistles anyway, do you?
Just wanted to point that out.
The grey water conversion definitely looks like a project, we just purchased a blue 20 gal 2-wheel tank which slips perfectly under our bumper with the hose on it. With our 40 gal water tank, I just go dump it whenever it gets full (grey water). Just another option to be campground friendly.
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:21 PM   #33
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With your skill it should be a great experience. It took me about 2 years working on the weekends to complete a redo of a 1971 31 footer. Took everything out all the way down to the axles. Replaced with new axles and built it back out completely on the inside. Tried to keep it close to vintage on the outside, but went totally comfy on the inside. Plus added a solar array and tankless HW, which is amazing. There are a lot of great places to buy parts and pieces...good luck!
Looks awesome, is that a heater above the TV?
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Old 02-28-2019, 03:37 PM   #34
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Those and more are what it takes. I've been engaged in doing what you say you want to do, to a vintage trailer. Mine was not an AS, but a similar chrome twinkie from mid 60s. It fell in my lap for $500 and I couldn't say no but I wish I'd thought it out more. It has been a money and energy draining experience. I thought I could 'do it all' too, but it needed a new door, baggage door, windows unstuck, old vents replaced, and worst of all a new floor, which I replaced myself-- one heck of a job. My warning to you is that it will take more time, energy and money to do, than you ever thought possible. Make sure that is what you want before you jump in!
Weigh that carefully in terms of how soon you want to go camping in the trailer after it reaches that point. I wish I'd bought and done one when I was 40 or younger, and not now at age 69! I wish you the best and good luck to you on your own project!
I needed a new door as well. In my case it was a taller garage door to get in in my shop. I'm glad to see another 69 year old restorer. It would have been much easier when I was 40 as well, except then I would have lacked the money and time. I feel your pain. 😣
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Old 02-28-2019, 04:15 PM   #35
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As you can see from just these responses, there is a wealth of information here on the forum as you start your AS journey.

I have both a 26’ and 30’ Argosy. I evolved from one to another as the size of my family has changed and our needs for different layouts changed. I considered modifying my rear bath / twin bed 26’ to a midbath with a front dinette, but a key piece of advice I received here on the forum was while many things are possible to change, you will be well advised to find a model/floor plan that most closely aligns with your situation and style of camping. I now have a mid bath 30’ and using my 26’ as a parts donor (it’s worth more to me that way - clear panoramic windows are no longer made and there are 4 of them on the 30’)

Unless you are buying a recent model year, spend some time reviewing the major renovation threads for the model you narrow in on and you will find the common elements to plan for as well as the investment in time required to renovate an AS. In all likelihood your renovation will require new axles, frame repair, rodent eviction, subfloor replacement in part or whole, as well as replacing/refreshing interior system and updating the interior cosmetics to your liking. Take these factors into account as you budget for the initial purchase. I paid $4k for my 26’ and 8K for 30’ and both were in camp ready condition (less the same common items I mentioned above).

Enjoy the journey and we look forward to you sharing your experiences here on the forum.
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Old 02-28-2019, 04:25 PM   #36
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Hello, John. Welcome to Airforums. In your quest to see reno AS, we can also offer a tour of ours. Yes, we're in Spring, just south of The Woodlands. Do you have a toll tag? Best way to reach us would be the Grand Parkway. As a matter of fact, our trailer is stored just north of the parkway. Ours is one of those "infamous" 70s trailers, which did actually come with the center bath. Yes, we're old enough to remember that decade. It wasn't exactly with any fondness. Therefore, we felt no guilt whatsover upgrading or changing where ever we darn well pleased. Interested in boondocking or solar? We're mostly finished with an upgrade involving a fancy hybrid inverter & lithium batteries.

One other note of caution here. Is this going to be a solo, or couples, project? Even if it's solo, I would be very surprised if your significant other doesn't occasionally offer an opinion, or make a request which is totally different from the vision you have in your head. This is not the type of project which will improve a struggling relationship. In fact, it could very easily take a perfectly good thing & send it in the other direction. Hubs & I are both hard-core project people. But we occasionally have different ideas for doing the same project. Yikes! Just like the sage advice of never going to bed angry, the same thing applies when working with someone else on an AS. If you're already riled up over something else, save your restoration projects for a time when everyone is calm, cool & logical. They'll turn out much nicer the first time then.
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Old 02-28-2019, 08:00 PM   #37
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Hi John in Texas: Welcome from Colorado. You have been given some great information about vintage Airstreams in this thread. I have done a 66 Trade Wind 24', a 69 Globetrotter 21', a 75 Overlander 27'(current project), and a 86 Limited 34'. I'm no expert, but I have enjoyed the vintage Airstream hobby since 2005 and have learned a lot. I find the information given here is darn accurate.

I'm going to pitch the Beatrice 70s trailers as good candidates for renovation. As mentioned, these trailers were built light weight so your Ford Falcon could pull them. The extra weight in the rear to reduce tongue weight was detrimental to the frame and floors. It did keep the front wheels of that Falcon on the ground. But, but the 70s trailers have some very interesting construction techniques. Thin melamine was the choice for walls and cabinet faces. Tambour roll up doors were the rule. Mine has lasted quite well through the years. The cabinet framing is extruded aluminum pieces. Strong, lightweight, and doesn't rot like the 66 and 69 trailers I worked on.

RV water tanks in many configurations are readily available at about $250 each. I've reconfigured drain plumbing to accommodate adequate waste water capacity. A guy could convert a 70s trailer to a more desirable mid bath, rear bed layout. A lot of cabinet building, and a lot of added weight, but very doable with enough time and money.

The "lightened" frame rails and the rear end separation can be repaired. The most important element of a vintage Airstream is the body. Big dents and gouges are expensive to repair, but it can be done too.

Axles last about 30 years. Replacements are about $1000 each including brakes and bearings and shocks. A water heater is about $500, a fridge is about $1200, a air conditioner is about $700, a furnace is about $600, a new converter is about $250 and on and on. It adds up.

You might like to take a quick look at my "project thread" to see how a 75 Overlander was built. I've read Minno's thread on their 72 is it very good. There are rebuild threads on almost any year and model of Airstream.

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Old 03-01-2019, 08:20 AM   #38
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Thanks for the summary - interesting!
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Old 03-01-2019, 09:16 AM   #39
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I will put in a pitch for 60's models. Still plenty out there and the curved corning windows are pretty unique. I think the 90's trailers have a lot of particle board and OSB in them. Heavier and lower quality. 60's trailers have hardwood cabinets and components. My 1967 Overlander 26 ft weighs about 4300 lbs. It is for sale (in Houston) but the renovation is complete so probably not a good candidate for your project.
What are you asking for your Overlander? Do you have a link with photos?
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:01 AM   #40
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What are you asking for your Overlander? Do you have a link with photos?
https://houston.craigslist.org/rvs/d...797445609.html
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:28 PM   #41
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Hey y'all - I just gutted the interior of a 1970 25' Tradewind. Curious if your's has the original plastic bathroom. I was considering converting the bathroom into a wet floor - sink and toilet. We rarely use the indoor shower and the old tub made the bathroom really cramped.

What thoughts can you share?
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:03 AM   #42
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Looks awesome, is that a heater above the TV?
Wizard.... yes. That is the output of the 9000 BTU Heating and Cooling Inverter (runs on 110). Perfect location for routing pipes, electrical, etc. since there were original openings both top and bottom at that point in the trailer. My entire mechanical closet is behind that unit with entry from the bath which is mid-trailer. The mechanical closet houses room for 600AH of batteries, 3000 Watt Inverter, Solar Controller, Continuous HW Heater, 12V Control Panels and all other trailer analytics, water pump and central plumbing access though the existing lower porthole on that side of the trailer. I was able to put 2 - 25 gallon gray tanks, along with a 44 gallon fresh water (with a truck tank outside adapter for an addition 40 gallons carried in the truck bed) and 15 gallon black tank all in the floor.
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