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Old 06-20-2009, 06:05 PM   #1
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Convert rear Bathroom to Center Bath

Hi there,

My Husband and I just purchased a 31' 1973 Sovereign, and have just started scratching the surface in remodeling it. We just inherited 4 acres in NC and are starting out in this trailer until we can build our home. We bought it as is, and as you can see from the pictures below, it's not in the best condition.

I've read on other threads that the first to start with would be the structure, fixing any leaks we may encounter, and fixing the floor. My husband is extremely handy and once we finish gutting the interior, those will be the first items we work on.

One of the many questions I have about redoing the interior is moving the bathroom from the rear to the center of the trailer. I know that it's possible as I've seen floor plans of this year and model with the center bathroom, but cannot find any information about moving it. We want to have the toilet and sink on the street side and the shower on curbside to minimize the space used for the bathroom and maximizing the space for the back bedroom. Would it be hard to move the plumbing? should we do this under the subfloor?

We have not hooked anything up as far as electric or water. I figured we would do that once we pulled the floor up to see where the problems were and fix them like that. Also, the wiring for the electrical elements, that would be under the fiber glass on the interior (saw it on a different thread), is it expensive to replace the fiberglass? (the color is awful on the inside and may just replace to save from sanding and trying to cover it)

Also, we have the original refrigerator, wall oven and all the original Bathroom fixtures (Shower, tub, toilet, cabinets) if anyone is interested in them. Not sure if they work, and they definitely would need to be cleaned out, but we are willing to sell them as we want everything on the inside to be more modern and efficient. Let me know!

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Old 06-20-2009, 06:10 PM   #2
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The trailer also has a case of rear end separation.

There are modifications that you can do, that are fairly easy, so it doesn't happen again.

Thosemods have been previously posted.

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Old 06-20-2009, 06:31 PM   #3
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Welcome to the forums. All of the information you need can be found on here.

As for moving the bathroom, I really don't know, but someone will chime in with the information.

We have a 74 Soveriegn and almost rebuilt on her. We put many hard hours and funds into her, and nearly have her completed. Take your time and you should be fine.

And yes the inside is rough, but should be doable.

Good luck and keep us posted.

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Old 06-20-2009, 06:45 PM   #4
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Wow that is some paint job,as long as they used enamel,you should be able to paint over it,if it is latex,you may be better off changing panels.On the center bath ,I think you would have to move the black tank,I`m sure someone will chime in that knows more than me on that model. Dave
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Old 06-20-2009, 07:10 PM   #5
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Thanks for replying! I'm extremely excited about this remodel, and look forward to the info about the bathroom. for the paint, it really depends on what we find when we pull off the walls to get to the wiring. I will definitely post more pictures as we get further into the remodel!
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Old 06-20-2009, 07:22 PM   #6
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Best thread for rear end separation repair?

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The trailer also has a case of rear end separation.

There are modifications that you can do, that are fairly easy, so it doesn't happen again.

Thosemods have been previously posted.

Andy

Hello Andy,
Which thread has the best description of the best modifications to repair the rear end separation? I have done a search. Can never find anything when I do that. Guess I am doing something wrong there. Too many words, not enough words? I had to replace the rear bumper, got rear ended just enough to bend the bumper, so I thought I would look into making the repair while I have the bumper off.
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Old 06-20-2009, 09:30 PM   #7
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Bill b,

I have a few pictures in my photos of a couple of repairs..a '72 Overlander (rear bath) and a '73 Sovereign (center bath). Bumper removal is a pretty minor portion of the repair. To do it right requires removal of the lower interior walls (and all furniture in the way) and will usually involve floor replacement as well as frame restoration while you're at it.

Not quite a one weekend job, unfortunately but doable if patient and somewhat deranged.

SilverTwink: As for moving the bathroom, it will really be more trouble than it is worth, although anything can be done if you're willing to spend enough time and money. (Even your roof plumbing vents will be in different places .) I would restore what you have and keep the bathroom in place.

I have pictures of the wrap around dinette (as well as the plans) in my photos as well.
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Pizza: Thanks for the advice, but we are planning on making this our residence for a while until we can build our house. It's either this or live with my mother-in-law... so we need to have a bed that we can both sleep in, not the twin beds in the hallway or a conversion bed in the front.

any help with this project, things we might need to know, things we wouldn't think about, would be great!! THANKS!!
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Pizza: Thanks for the advice, but we are planning on making this our residence for a while until we can build our house. It's either this or live with my mother-in-law... so we need to have a bed that we can both sleep in, not the twin beds in the hallway or a conversion bed in the front.

any help with this project, things we might need to know, things we wouldn't think about, would be great!! THANKS!!
Rather than moving everything around, you can simply get a piece of plywood, slide it under one of the mattresses, and at bedtime, slide the plywood and mattress over against the other mattress. In the morning, slide it back. Trust me when I say that's a lot easier than replumbing the trailer for a center bath.
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Old 06-21-2009, 07:27 AM   #10
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I researched this very topic after I bought my Sovereign in 2004. Believe me when I say you are better off just buying a side bathroom model rather than moving your bathroom from the rear to the side. Black tank location, plumbing, and venting all have to be considered.
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Old 06-21-2009, 07:51 AM   #11
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Thank you for your concern, really! But I will not settle with a rear bath for the next two years, and converting twins to a king every night and then undoing the setup every day makes me want to cringe...

Mello Mike: what did you find in your search? We are willing to put in whatever man hours and money this will take to make this conversion. We have to basically pull the entire thing apart anyway to fix any plumbing/wiring/duct/suspension problems that are present, and putting it back together in a way that will suit our needs better then it is now is what we are planning on doing. You say Black tank location would need to be relocated.. what about the grey tank? we're new to this, so be gentle..
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Old 06-21-2009, 08:26 AM   #12
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In looking through videos on the web, I've found this one in particular, which is the same exact airstream that we have, and they did almost exactly what I want to do, minus installing the shower on the curbside. Unfortunately, this couple speaks German, and I can't communicate with them. Can anyone help me dissect this video, and give me a clue about what I need to do?

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Thank you for your concern, really! But I will not settle with a rear bath for the next two years, and converting twins to a king every night and then undoing the setup every day makes me want to cringe...

Mello Mike: what did you find in your search? We are willing to put in whatever man hours and money this will take to make this conversion. We have to basically pull the entire thing apart anyway to fix any plumbing/wiring/duct/suspension problems that are present, and putting it back together in a way that will suit our needs better then it is now is what we are planning on doing. You say Black tank location would need to be relocated.. what about the grey tank? we're new to this, so be gentle..
You don't have a grey tank on the 73, so you get to add the fun of the additional plumbing and locating of that too. It can be done, but it will be expensive (in terms of parts and time) Do you have plumbing plans and floor plans for the rear bath and the center bath? It will give you an idea of what has to be relocated. FWIW I do have an 80 that I will be doing something similar on, but it is going to be full custom...if I ever get my 75 completed.

It would probably be easier and less expensive to start with an already configured center bath that has the grey tank, but nothing wrong with doing a conversion. You will also probably end up having to add or move windows...more fun.

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I am currently doing a side from rear bath change. There's no point in trying to save any of the plumbing as it will all have to be redone. New black tank, new gray tanks, basically new everything. Its not a little job but it is doable with time, money and patience. My change is to a wet bath as I only have a 21 ft GT.
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