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Old 06-21-2009, 09:22 AM   #15
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Thanks Wahoo! Anything can be done once you put your mind to it!

I just finished reading about the three tanks (Black, Grey and Clear). Thanks for letting us know that we don't currently have one on this model. We live in Philadelphia, and the trailer is in NC, so we are doing as much research as we can before we trek down there again for more repairs. On our next trip, we will be ripping out the bathroom, the floors and the walls to get to the appropriate fixes we need to do. We do not have floor plans for the side bath or the rear bath, if you have something that would give us a clue as to where things need to go, would you be so kind as to email them to me or direct me to where to purchase them? I've already contacted airstream to try to obtain the owners manual and service manual. i think that would help alot.

Aerowood: Anything we should be aware of that you've encountered that may save us time or money? Since we haven't really gotten into the belly of this beast, there are things that we are unsure of, like which way the beams run, if the plumbing should be under the floor or above.. things like that.

I'm learning so much!!! YEY!
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Old 06-21-2009, 09:41 AM   #16
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We're with you! We're moving our rear bath in Little Girl (72 Soveriegn) to a center bath/rear bedroom plan. As noted already, all the plumbing associated with the bathroom (and basically the rest of the trailer) will need to be redone. New black tank or move the black tank if it's in good condition, new grey tank, new waste plumbing, and new vents are all part of the equation. Not to mention new fresh water, and probably moving the hot water heater. But we feel it's all worth the work and money so we end up with the trailer we really want.

It'll be interesting to compare notes as we both make progress. Our thread is: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f185...urb-50967.html if you want to keep an eye on our progress. We're still in the early repair phase - making her weather tight before we rip out the floor. We still have many, many, not completely answered planning and layout questions in our heads, but once we get the belly pan off and floor out, we'll be able to see exactly how much room we have for the tanks, and that will help guide us in the design.

Time, patience, and money will get you exactly what you want! So, keep at it and have fun! Lot's of hard work, but totally fun work in our opinions.

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Old 06-21-2009, 09:48 AM   #17
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Thanks Wahoo! Anything can be done once you put your mind to it!

I just finished reading about the three tanks (Black, Grey and Clear). Thanks for letting us know that we don't currently have one on this model. We live in Philadelphia, and the trailer is in NC, so we are doing as much research as we can before we trek down there again for more repairs. On our next trip, we will be ripping out the bathroom, the floors and the walls to get to the appropriate fixes we need to do. We do not have floor plans for the side bath or the rear bath, if you have something that would give us a clue as to where things need to go, would you be so kind as to email them to me or direct me to where to purchase them? I've already contacted airstream to try to obtain the owners manual and service manual. i think that would help alot.

Aerowood: Anything we should be aware of that you've encountered that may save us time or money? Since we haven't really gotten into the belly of this beast, there are things that we are unsure of, like which way the beams run, if the plumbing should be under the floor or above.. things like that.

I'm learning so much!!! YEY!
What part of NC? I live near Fort Bragg, but am currently working in Iowa I don't have a copy of my manual where I can get at it, but when I get home in September I will

My 75 is completely gutted so if any of those pictures will help let me know.


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Old 06-21-2009, 10:23 AM   #18
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I did not want to make any frame mods in order to install tanks. The blackwater tank sits on top of the floor with a low profile toilet to set on top of that, so pay attention to tank height. I am using 2 ea fresh water tanks for the gray and ganging them together. Pay attention to tank height again, in order to get some slope for drain lines. There are floor splices above every other frame that will burn up 3/4" so beware of that on tank width and when installing floor repairs. The frame height is only 5" so my tanks could be a max height of 4 inches. Another restriction I put upon myself is I only want one hookup to drain everything and I wanted none of it to protrude below the belly skin, as I use a lot of forest service access roads, some better some not so.

You need to outline your goals and base your design on your needs and wallet. Custom Tanks are expensive but I was able to find stock tanks that really brought the price down.

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Old 06-21-2009, 10:35 AM   #19
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In looking through videos on the web, I've found this one in particular, which is the same exact airstream that we have, and they did almost exactly what I want to do, minus installing the shower on the curbside. Unfortunately, this couple speaks German, and I can't communicate with them. Can anyone help me dissect this video, and give me a clue about what I need to do?

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Old 06-21-2009, 12:42 PM   #20
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I'm pretty sure you'll be needing a new black tank as the rear bath black tank is for below floor and the center bath is above floor (Aero is right that you'll need a low profile commode if you choose to follow the center bath Sovereign layout). It must be vented which will require a new hole in your roof (but you can use the old vent stack for the new vent.)

I have some pics of mine with the center bath removed which may assist you in locating your new bathroom. ( I purchased my '73 Sovereign in NC near Ft Bragg and had quite a bit of frame rust/disintegration to deal with but hopefully you'll fare better than I did. Owning a welder is quite handy when restoring old Airstreams.)

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Old 06-21-2009, 01:10 PM   #21
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Minno: YEY!! i'm glad someone else is out there doing the same thing! I would Definitely want to compare notes. We are quite literally one day into the remodel, and I just want to be informed before we get back down there and start tearing this thing apart. Do you have floor plans that you're going from, or just winging it? if you do, would you be willing to share? Keep me posted and I'll do the same.

Wahoo: The trailer is located in Maple Hill, NC. 45 mins from Wilmington. It's where we have our land and while it's not sitting in the spot where it will sit, it's in the shade so we can work comfortably through the summer with no ac! If you would be willing to share your manual, Let me know how much you would like for copying costs or your time to scan! Thanks so much! and we would love to see the pics, anything to give us a clue as to what we're getting into.

Aerowood: Thanks SOOOO MUCH!!! this info is great! we will definitely keep everything that we tear out. for the most part, the stuff we've thrown out so far is garbage anyway. the roll up compartment covers were trash and most of the aluminum rails are bent and destroyed. so we are scrapping them and will be buying new ones. Thanks for the tank information. Definitely not something that i thought of. This is great!!

Overlander: I've never seen that translation service before. thanks!!

Pizza: You're pics are great! thanks! I was able to show my husband what i was talking about with the shower stall going over the wheel well. We weren't sure of that. we were kinda figuring that the vents would have to be moved. Thanks for the info! We are ambitious... but we need to be happy and the only way i can live with my husband in such confined quarters would be to have the bath in the center!!

Thanks everyone for the info! Keep it coming! can never have too much knowledge!
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Old 01-12-2011, 02:13 PM   #22
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Hi, I have a thread started at http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...s-72465-2.html
I won't be running into the same problems under the floor, and I have alot more freedom with the floor plan, but I'm sure some problems/fixes will relate.

I'm single and I don't like the rear bath. I can't imagine two people living with the rear bath, so I came on here to see how couples manage, and to hear a few female perspectives.
The rear bath has more space and storage, but you would prefer the middle bath?
Did you do the change over, or did it lose steam for a reason?
I'm still not sure about which way I want to go. I think I could stand the rear bath if I wasn't worried about the rear of the trailer falling off.
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Old 01-13-2011, 06:07 PM   #23
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We're ending up keeping our bath in the rear of the trailer - just couldn't tolerate having to cancel most of the exterior storage hatches if we put the bath in the center of the trailer. We don't like the split baths that you see in a lot of the new trailers. We have a side bath in our current SOB trailer and we like it. That trailer is wider than the AS, however, and it does make a difference when you start laying out a side bath. We are moving the shower/tub to the wall separating the bath from our bedroom area in the center of the trailer.

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Old 01-13-2011, 09:52 PM   #24
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ST7,

Do you want to actually build a camper out of this Airstream? Or, is it going to be a single location home while you build your other house? The reason I ask is....if you're not planning to pull this trailer around from campground to campground, but rather just park it in one spot and live in it while you build your permanent house (at least until your house is done), you don't need to have ANY holding tanks.

If it's going to be stationary, just run the plumbing through some traps, route them all to a central drain, and run them into the septic system that you're going to have to have for your house. You won't need holding tanks because you're not taking it anywhere.

As well, if you don't plan on towing the trailer around, then who cares about frame sag or separation. It becomes a non-issue to a stationary trailer. Just put the jacks down, maybe stick an extra scizzors jack under the back bumper, skirt around it to keep the cold air out, and call it good.

Now, after your house is done, and you want to use this Airstream as your travel machine, then by all means do all the necessary and proper repairs. But if you plan to park it one spot for the next several years, you could avoid a lot of these headaches altogether.

It IS a lot of work to move the bathroom. But, if you're completely gutting the coach, then it's less of a big deal. You might want to just stick in an actual house tub/shower unit for now....as the RV units are about half scale replicas.

My own coach has the split bathroom in the middle and I really like it. We had the twin beds in the rear, one on either side of the aisle. I thought they were awful, so built a little bridge across he aisle and put a King mattress back there. Now I sleep like a King

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Old 01-14-2011, 09:35 AM   #25
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Hi, I have a thread started at http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...s-72465-2.html
I won't be running into the same problems under the floor, and I have alot more freedom with the floor plan, but I'm sure some problems/fixes will relate.

I'm single and I don't like the rear bath. I can't imagine two people living with the rear bath, so I came on here to see how couples manage, and to hear a few female perspectives.
The rear bath has more space and storage, but you would prefer the middle bath?
Did you do the change over, or did it lose steam for a reason?
I'm still not sure about which way I want to go. I think I could stand the rear bath if I wasn't worried about the rear of the trailer falling off.
Hi Nomader!

This project lost steam. We gutted the entire trailer and started doing the remodel, and then got pregnant!! so we ended up moving into a small 2br house because I couldn't live in a trailer with a baby.. It just wasn't happening.

As for the female perspective... I would've much rather had a bigger bedroom in the rear then the storage. Although, because this was planned to be in a stationary spot, we were planning on creating our own storage UNDER the trailer (trap doors in the floor to create more storage space). We made our own floor plan with the help of the new floor plans on the AS Website, with our own modifications of course to suit our needs.

We ended up selling the shell for $1500 and using the money to pay the midwife bill. We had a beautiful home birth and our Son was born Sept 30! Eventually we will have our own AS Again, it is a dream of mine and I will not give up!!
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That will change plans really quick. Best wishes to all of you.
I was just thinking about putting a door in the floor. We'll see

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I'm just about to post the pictures. Plans changed a bit and I didn't want to post bad info/measurements.
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