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Old 08-02-2007, 10:59 AM   #15
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Air pressure changes from wind and vibrations of occupants moving around can cause the water in the traps to migrate from the elbows allowing small burps to constant drafts of air to infiltrate from the pipes, if not the tanks.

Keep the water refreshed in all drains with a cup or so as needed, and use the stabilizers to reduce any rocking motion that can coax water to siphon away from the trap elbows. Gasketed stoppers are in use on mine whenever I am not running water.

My vintage PVC piping above the floor line was much worse than the tanks since they never had been flushed, very annoying to examine as I pulled them out for other repairs. I also found a roof vent pipe had settled and vented into the interior more than vent through the roof. I wonder if the new style foaming drain cleaner would help sanitize the lines.
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Old 08-02-2007, 05:50 PM   #16
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I decided to open all windows for the past severaldays as we were not expecting any rain and I keep the AS at my home. Today I entered the AS and noticed no significant odor. I think the smell may be a poor quality "fragrance" that eminates from the chemical that we toss down the toilet. I am going to flush the entire system again and see if I can find a product that has a neutral odor. Thanks for all of the suggestions. If this doesn't workI will head to the dealer as I have several warranty issues.
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Old 08-02-2007, 07:35 PM   #17
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Of course, there are positive things about the smell like keeping company out under the awing
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Old 08-02-2007, 08:39 PM   #18
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Formaldahyde?

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If it has been really hot and the trailer has been closed up, it could be formaldahyde (spelling?) fumes...or fumes from the upholstery, etc. Just air it out...should be OK.
I left a bottle of the green formaldahyde type toilet additive in the shower cabinet and apparantly the lid was loose. After a long drive and quite awhile parked in the sun, when I opened the door the fumes would bring tears to my eyes. I had to scrub the green stuff out of the cabinet and shower/tub and months later we still can smell that smell. I no longer use the green stuff, got some nice orange(non formaldahyde) additive. Smells better, but also try to remember to keep the bottle in a bucket under the kitchen sink so if it leaks, out it goes.
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Old 08-03-2007, 10:42 AM   #19
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We have had four ASs'. One 63 Trotter twice, 77-27 and a 69-31. They all have had a very distinctive yet non-offensive Airstream fragance(sp). Not a waste smell, not a mildew or mold, nor a smoke smell (wouldn't have bought them if they did). We look at a lot of older ASs, the vast majority of them have the fragrance. We have smelled them from Alaska, where we lived in the 31' for three years, to Texas, and maybe it's just our noses. But it reminds of 'home'
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I will head to the dealer as I have several warranty issues.
An all too familiar sound for an Airstreamer.....
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Old 08-03-2007, 07:33 PM   #21
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I may have solved my mystery odor.After airing the AS out for several days I began my investigation, and low and behold I found the source of the odor. We forgot but we used 2 deoderant stick-ups. One in the kitchen area and the other in the bathroom. They were supposed to freshen the air but when combined with what others have decribed a an AS fragrance, it produced an unpleasant odor. Hopefully the problem is solved?????
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Old 08-03-2007, 07:47 PM   #22
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Hopefully, you found the source of the odor!

I forgot about this until now, but with our first A/S, I bought a cheap broom with a plastic handle that was short enough to keep in the closet.

When the trailer was in storage, that broom must have off-gassed because when I opened the closet, it would bring tears to my eyes, and the smell would quickly permeate the entire trailer.

It took awhile to figure out what the culprit was.

I removed the items we stored in there and by process of elimination was able to determine that it was the broom.

It now resides in my lawn shed.
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I think the smell may be a poor quality "fragrance" that eminates from the chemical that we toss down the toilet. I am going to flush the entire system again and see if I can find a product that has a neutral odor.
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We forgot but we used 2 deoderant stick-ups... when combined with what others have decribed a an AS fragrance, it produced an unpleasant odor...
i've had both tank treatment fragrances and air fresheners produce very unpleasant odors in a hot/sealed trailer.

the are dozens of smelly threads on holding tank products...

i usually use roebic bacterial granules for the main 'digestive' these are odorless products...

Bacterial Treatments by Roebic Laboratories, Inc. - 203-795-1283

and odorlos as an enzyme treatment, again fragrance free...

ODØRLØS Holding Tank Treatment: Purchase ODØRLØS for your holding tank online here, Best Odor removal product, holding tank chemicals

your olfaction mileage may vary....

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Old 08-04-2007, 01:16 PM   #24
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i've had both tank treatment fragrances and air fresheners produce very unpleasant odors in a hot/sealed trailer.

the are dozens of smelly threads on holding tank products...

i usually use roebic bacterial granules for the main 'digestive' these are odorless products...

Bacterial Treatments by Roebic Laboratories, Inc. - 203-795-1283

and odorlos as an enzyme treatment, again fragrance free...

ODØRLØS Holding Tank Treatment: Purchase ODØRLØS for your holding tank online here, Best Odor removal product, holding tank chemicals

your olfaction mileage may vary....

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I noticed that Roebic has products especially for RV's. Have you tried any of these? One appears to be for the black tank and the other for grey water.Your salutation re: "olfaction" is intellectually great!
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Odor Revisited

Finally after trying everything to identify the annoying odor or fragrance in my AS, I read about the Flush King on the forum.So I purchased one and yesterday spent the entire morning using it. The recommendations suggest 4 flushes, I did it 7 times and I was amazed at what was flushed out.To disgusting to describe. I then used the system that came with the AS and let it run for an hour until the effluent was clear. Simply dumping at a dump station and using the As system does not work. If anyone is really interested in cleaning the tank it will require something like an Flush King and a lot of time.Today I am going to Camperworld to purchase a product that has the type of bacteria to breakdown the seweage as I noticed that the seweage was not decomposed as it should be. THe odor is completely gone. I did have one incident at the very end when I left the tank over fill and I noticed water spilling over from the roof of the AS.I don't understand this but perhaps the water backed up into the air vent pipe??? Unfortunately the tank holding gauges on my AS are worthless.So the only complaint that I have with the Flush King is that I didn't know how much water to run into the tank.
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I did have one incident at the very end when I left the tank over fill and I noticed water spilling over from the roof of the AS.I don't understand this but perhaps the water backed up into the air vent pipe???
Uhhh... If water is billowing out of the roof vent pipe like Old Faithful, that's a pretty good indicator the tank is full.
I'm guessing you can't look into the 'loo to see how much is in the tank. I've never seen one, but I wonder if there is a meter for the garden hose that will tell you how much water you put in the tank? If you have, say a 40 gallon black tank, you could set the meter at zero, and pump 35 gallons in, and turn it off.
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hi woodedareas...

so you have come up with a new way to wash the a/s roof!

reads like you filled the black tank completely and because the valve was closed IN the toilet,

water backed up 8 feet into the vent tube and out the roof. i sure hope this was clean water.

the f/k is great ( the a/s built in btf is worthless) but there are some cautions...

your sewage plumbing is a low pressure/gravity dependent system.

NONE of the fittings on the grey/black drainage side are high pressure tested or capable.

that means from the outside valve all the way 2 the roof this system isn't designed to be under pressure.

force TOO much water up the f/k, too quickly and something will rupture/leak.

the safest approach is to hold OPEN the toilet valve and occasionally LOOK down as the water level rises....

a flash light and old wood yard stick marked at "FULL" can help.

with a 5/8 in hose and city pressure, it takes 2-5 minutes for the black tanks to approach full, depending on capacity...

but never leave the f/k unattended.

bacteria/enzymes...

yes i've used the roebic rv specific product but it isn't widely available. i prefer carrying their granular bacterial product.

regardless what bacteria/enzyme product selected, you'll need to be careful about what goes into the black tank.

no soaps, no detergents, no chlorine, no ammonia and no dishwater. these things ALL kill the bacteria and defeat the digestive process.

sure the tank can be occasionally cleaned with chemicals like these but then the bacterial seeding must be restarted.

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I'm curious about how quickly the enymes break down the solids. If you're camping over a weekend, do they have time to work?

When we setup (full hookup), I try to put 3 to 5 gallons of water with an ounce of this stuff in the black tank before anything else goes in. This seems to help break down the solids and keep them suspended.

When breaking camp, I use the flush king for 2 or 3 cycles and we're good to go.

I've always considerd the holding tanks just that, holding tanks. I don't consider them septic tanks.
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