Triple axle vs ?

[dznf0g]

Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS

.......should not apply.

with a car,
"you get to keep your shorter stopping distance"

Really?
Possible but not certain by any means.


Bob

X2....BTW, the newer 30'ers and 31'ers have a greater GVWR and are heavier at empty curb weight than the older 34'ers. (Classic anyway). My 07 Classic:
Curb: 7600#
GVWR: 10,000#
Loaded for camping: about 9000#
Tongue (loaded): 950 - 1000#

So a newer 30'er should be recognized as pretty equal to the older 34'er posted above as far as weights go.

[DKB_SATX]

Originally Posted by SovrnScout

The ecoboost may pull it just fine, it's for sure more truck in every way than my old CUCV. I'm just saying 420lb-ft isn't a whole lot against 13,000+ lbs total weight so don't be surprised when you're screaming in a low gear to pull the hills.

As a useful point of comparison, the 5.9l Cummins in a Dodge Ram made 400 lb-ft of torque in its original setup, and 460 in the 2nd generation. And the Ecoboost makes torque at similarly low RPM, 90% of its torque peak is available at 1700 RPM, and the Ecoboost transmission has better ratio spreads than the automatic behind the older 5.9 Cummins Rams.

420 lb-ft of torque was a lot until the American manufacturers got into the "mine's bigger' yours" marketing wars.

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

Originally Posted by andreasduess

I always thought the old 34' models to be relatively light, especially compared to newer models. Sure, you can load any Airstream to the gills and it will be heavy but our 1984 Interbational weighs just over 6200lbs empty, about 7500lbs ready to camp. The tongue weight is also low, just over 850 fully loaded. Those are considerably lower numbers than most modern models can boast.

They are incredibly easy to tow and will track straight and true. I have never experienced any tail wagging, but then we do tow with a Hensley. The brakes on these older models are also 2" larger than their modern counterparts, which adds to their shurefootedness. Backing up is a dream, they are so well behaved.

Any properly set up rig should come to a stop marginally faster than just the tow vehicle breaking alone. One of the benefits of towing with a car rather than a truck is that you get to keep your shorter stopping distance and faster lane changing ability, even with a long trailer like this.

Hi, let me get this straight; Your trailer has 14" brakes???????

[m.hony]

He's probably saying 12" as opposed to very common 10" trailer brakes-

[andreasduess]

Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS

.......should not apply.

with a car,
"you get to keep your shorter stopping distance"

Really?
Possible but not certain by any means.


Bob

A properly set up rig should stop marginally faster than the tow vehicle on its own. If that's not the case then something isn't as it should be and needs attention.

I know you like big body on frame vehicles but fact is that their road holding and stopping distance is, in almost all cases, inferior to that of cars and vans. That holds true whether you're towing or not.

[andreasduess]

Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS

Hi, let me get this straight; Your trailer has 14" brakes???????

10" is the most common size for trailer brakes. The old 34' have 12" brakes.

[ROBERT CROSS]

Originally Posted by andreasduess

A properly set up rig should stop marginally faster than the tow vehicle on its own. If that's not the case then something isn't as it should be and needs attention.

I know you like big body on frame vehicles but fact is that their road holding and stopping distance is, in almost all cases, inferior to that of cars and vans. That holds true whether you're towing or not.

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" One of the benefits of towing with a car rather than a truck is that you get to keep your shorter stopping distance and faster lane changing ability, even with a long trailer like this."

So I'm a little about exactly what it is your trying to say.

Towing your AS with a car will provide better stopping and faster lane changing ability?
This is an inappreciably inappropriate observation....marginally.

One size fit's all....I doubt it.

Now you'll have to prove to me that my inferior Suburban is more inferior than your inferior... About My Tow Vehicle
Honda Odyssee

WAAR

Bob

[dznf0g]

Originally Posted by andreasduess

A properly set up rig should stop marginally faster than the tow vehicle on its own. If that's not the case then something isn't as it should be and needs attention.

I know you like big body on frame vehicles but fact is that their road holding and stopping distance is, in almost all cases, inferior to that of cars and vans. That holds true whether you're towing or not.

This MIGHT be true with SOME cars...particularly when running solo. Modern trucks are much better stoppers than they were, even as recently as 5 - 10 years ago. The two braking systems and materials are designed for very different duty cycles. There would be a lot of scenarios to discuss on this topic, but the variables of pedal application styles by the driver as well as the fact that all the controllers I have used aren't consistent in matching the vehicle under the full range of speeds and application pressures, across various vehicles.

I believe this your stated "fact" is overarching, somewhat antiquated and opinion based to be considered fact.

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS

Hi, let me get this straight; Your trailer has 14" brakes???????

Originally Posted by andreasduess

10" is the most common size for trailer brakes. The old 34' have 12" brakes.

Hi, I'm sure all 34' Airstreams [new and old] have 12" brakes; And most all Airstreams from 25' and above have 12" brakes. SOB's on the other hand might have smaller brakes and smaller tires/wheels. Assuming that this is an Airstream forum and that we are talking about Airstreams, his brakes are no larger than any newer Airstream of 25' and larger. If he is comparing his trailer to SOB's then he should state that.

[andreasduess]

A car with independent suspension, lower weight and a low centre of gravity will stop faster than a truck with a high centre of gravity, higher weight and perhaps even a live axle. Your lane change speed will be higher. Your agility will be superior. Every single road test in existence will have the numbers to support the above statement.

These benefits apply whether you're towing or not, assuming your rig has been set up properly.

I don't wish to invite the wrath of the moderators, so I shall bow out of this discussion now. I suspect that we'd have to agree to disagree anyhow.