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01-17-2015, 08:53 AM
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Rivet Master
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1989 34.5' Airstream 345
Cleveland
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If you decide to use a 20 amp outlet, be sure to check your 20 to 30 amp adapter. I've been wanting to purchase a new one for a couple of years now. The only adapters I can find are rated for 15 amps only. The packages will use the standard "20 to 30 amp adapter" part name but the adapter itself will be stamped 15 amps. Using 18 amps in the AS will cause the adapter to overheat without tripping the breaker. Anyone who has bought one recently should check the ratings on their adapter.
Check out post 3 of this thread for an idea to protect your water source in cold weather. We used to full time till mama wanted a bath tub again.
Ricky
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AIR 22749 WBCCI 2349 NOVA TAC TN-6
1989 345 LE Classic Motorhome
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01-17-2015, 09:01 AM
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Rivet Master
1976 31' Sovereign
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Not only electricians make mistakes as I no a lic. plumber that hooked all cold water to hot side and hot to cold side on friend of mine house, his retort I don't make mistakes. No longer a plumber also he put hand under running trencher no more fingers
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01-17-2015, 10:48 AM
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Rivet Master
1972 25' Tradewind
North Vancouver
, British Columbia
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,421
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Don't confuse perimeter drain/storm water cleanouts for a sewer cleanout. They aren't the same thing.
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North Vancouver, BC
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01-17-2015, 10:55 AM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Hi, when we had our new house built, I told the contractor several times to make sure that my 30 amp outlet was 120 volt, not 240. I tested it before plugging my trailer into it. If the electrician can read, the box that the receptacle comes in says 30 amp / 120 volts. And the part it's self says 30 amp / 120 volt.
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"Le Petit Chateau Argent" Small Silver Castle
2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
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01-17-2015, 03:04 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 6,014
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Some may not read the label. Because they think they know what it is. Because it looks similar to a 240 volt outlet. They wire it that way.
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01-17-2015, 09:08 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
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In my experience, when you hear a plumber or an electrician tell you "I've got 30 years experience, don't tell me how you want to do X", fire them immediately.
Every time I've heard that, I've spent A ton of time and money fixing what they screwed up. Like all the frozen pipes that burst in my house because the plumber did not put a shutoff and drain for the hose connections. Or the time the 'experienced' electricians mixed up the phase and neutral on a huge power panel at work.
I get nervous when they don't listen or read the directions on the box the hardware came in....
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01-17-2015, 09:20 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 6,014
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Years of experience???
Could be one year of experience 30 times.
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01-17-2015, 09:31 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rmkrum
In my experience, when you hear a plumber or an electrician tell you "I've got 30 years experience, don't tell me how you want to do X", fire them immediately.
Every time I've heard that, I've spent A ton of time and money fixing what they screwed up. Like all the frozen pipes that burst in my house because the plumber did not put a shutoff and drain for the hose connections. Or the time the 'experienced' electricians mixed up the phase and neutral on a huge power panel at work.
I get nervous when they don't listen or read the directions on the box the hardware came in....
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Hi, we had that discussion at work, way back in the 70's. And the come back line was, "Thirty years of experience means nothing if you have been doing it wrong all of that time."
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"Le Petit Chateau Argent" Small Silver Castle
2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
YAMAHA 2400 / AIR #12144
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01-17-2015, 10:33 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Yup. It's still true.
You may or may not be amazed at how often the '30 years of experience' phrase signals 30 years of bad moves...
I've gotten into some real knock-down drag out arguments over basic engineering concepts like wire size versus circuit breaker size. It's just amazing how hard it is to get folks to understand simple stuff.
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Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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01-18-2015, 05:12 AM
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Rivet Master
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Mantua
, Ohio
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Agree with Robersunrus. I worked at a car dealership and at the morning sales meeting the owner was telling the salesman that he had been in the business of selling cars for thirty years. One of the salesmen spoke as a spokesman for the staff and told him maybe he was doing it wrong. After they were all fired we had technicians and parts people working the sales lot until new salesmen were hired. It was fun. Peace, jim
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01-18-2015, 10:40 AM
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Rivet Master
2015 30' International
2009 27' FB International
2007 25' Safari
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Greensboro
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To Rolland:
Thanks for your clear and concise directions, especially the testing with a meter.....always good before using, IMO
Ms Tommie Lauer
Greensboro, NC
2015 Serenity 30 RB / 2008 Dodge Cummins 4 X 4
WBCCI #4165 AIR #31871
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01-19-2015, 08:55 AM
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Airjeep
2012 27' FB Eddie Bauer
Zurich
, Ontario
Join Date: Jan 2015
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One should also consider using a ground fault circuit interrupter for any circuit used out doors. It is code in some areas.
One time when unplugging a block heater on a drizzle day, got a shock!
At home all outdoor circuits are on ground fault circuit.
Cheers, John
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01-19-2015, 09:35 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
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Someone in the know correct me...I don't think 30 amp RV circuits are GFI...even if they are outdoors.
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01-19-2015, 11:49 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Typically they are not. Code does not require it, my AS has GFI on wet area outlets internally. An extra GFI on the RV outlet would potentially cause false tripping.
Should plug in RV cable with breaker off to prevent shock or arcing at the plug. Then flip breaker on. Breaker off first when unplugging, then disconnect.
Of course, the careful person either has a smart surge protector in the AS or tests the RV outlet with a meter or tester first.
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Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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