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Old 01-17-2015, 11:48 AM   #43
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Don't confuse perimeter drain/storm water cleanouts for a sewer cleanout. They aren't the same thing.
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Old 01-17-2015, 11:55 AM   #44
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Hi, when we had our new house built, I told the contractor several times to make sure that my 30 amp outlet was 120 volt, not 240. I tested it before plugging my trailer into it. If the electrician can read, the box that the receptacle comes in says 30 amp / 120 volts. And the part it's self says 30 amp / 120 volt.
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Old 01-17-2015, 04:04 PM   #45
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Some may not read the label. Because they think they know what it is. Because it looks similar to a 240 volt outlet. They wire it that way.


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Old 01-17-2015, 10:08 PM   #46
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In my experience, when you hear a plumber or an electrician tell you "I've got 30 years experience, don't tell me how you want to do X", fire them immediately.

Every time I've heard that, I've spent A ton of time and money fixing what they screwed up. Like all the frozen pipes that burst in my house because the plumber did not put a shutoff and drain for the hose connections. Or the time the 'experienced' electricians mixed up the phase and neutral on a huge power panel at work.

I get nervous when they don't listen or read the directions on the box the hardware came in....


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Years of experience???
Could be one year of experience 30 times.


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Old 01-17-2015, 10:31 PM   #48
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In my experience, when you hear a plumber or an electrician tell you "I've got 30 years experience, don't tell me how you want to do X", fire them immediately.

Every time I've heard that, I've spent A ton of time and money fixing what they screwed up. Like all the frozen pipes that burst in my house because the plumber did not put a shutoff and drain for the hose connections. Or the time the 'experienced' electricians mixed up the phase and neutral on a huge power panel at work.

I get nervous when they don't listen or read the directions on the box the hardware came in....


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Hi, we had that discussion at work, way back in the 70's. And the come back line was, "Thirty years of experience means nothing if you have been doing it wrong all of that time."
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Yup. It's still true.

You may or may not be amazed at how often the '30 years of experience' phrase signals 30 years of bad moves...

I've gotten into some real knock-down drag out arguments over basic engineering concepts like wire size versus circuit breaker size. It's just amazing how hard it is to get folks to understand simple stuff.


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Agree with Robersunrus. I worked at a car dealership and at the morning sales meeting the owner was telling the salesman that he had been in the business of selling cars for thirty years. One of the salesmen spoke as a spokesman for the staff and told him maybe he was doing it wrong. After they were all fired we had technicians and parts people working the sales lot until new salesmen were hired. It was fun. Peace, jim
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Thanks for your clear and concise directions, especially the testing with a meter.....always good before using, IMO


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One should also consider using a ground fault circuit interrupter for any circuit used out doors. It is code in some areas.

One time when unplugging a block heater on a drizzle day, got a shock!

At home all outdoor circuits are on ground fault circuit.

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Someone in the know correct me...I don't think 30 amp RV circuits are GFI...even if they are outdoors.
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Typically they are not. Code does not require it, my AS has GFI on wet area outlets internally. An extra GFI on the RV outlet would potentially cause false tripping.

Should plug in RV cable with breaker off to prevent shock or arcing at the plug. Then flip breaker on. Breaker off first when unplugging, then disconnect.

Of course, the careful person either has a smart surge protector in the AS or tests the RV outlet with a meter or tester first.


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