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Old 02-03-2011, 07:11 AM   #29
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Ah, OK, the "filiform" problem. Yes, that is nasty. So, couldn't you get a late model used one? You'd be able to see if the trailer in question has it or not.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:14 AM   #30
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I saw SOB (BigFoot) that had a Winter Pkg. I think they shut down but are returning to Production. My Airstream is hard to control in Low temps.esp Boondocking.I need a Generator.The Furnace draws down the batteries.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:56 AM   #31
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I have been searching RV shows and reading several posts in my quest for the best, all around Airstream. My questions center around 3 areas, some of the models have the wrap around windows in the bedroom area. Is this area hot in the summer and cold in the winter due to the large glass area. I also notice storage under the bed with o/s access, does this make the bed colder? Would I not be better with less glass area exposure?
This has been answered already...so yes, glass = no insulation. IMO, it is not a deal breaker. We like the open feeling of lots of windows. One of the things that attracted us to the Excella (Classic). They can be covered in extreme cold.
Insulate under the bed space, and around the hatch doors. This bed space can be a cold spot. We put insulation under the mattress as well. It stays there all year, no trouble.
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The second area of concern is how the underbelly is kept warm, some models have hotair and some have 12V heaters on the tanks. It would seem the 12 volt would be more efficient.
You will be running the furnace anyway, so why not have it heat your tanks as well? The 12v tank heater will just be an additional drain on batteries.

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Finally, I notice some interiors have a finish and some are aluminum, what are the pros/cons in regards to heat and cold? Would not the non metal finish be more insulated? These concerns will help me in deciding on which model will suit my needs best. I appreciate your input
Of course, a smaller space will require less BTU's to heat. Having said that, you may also look at the size of the furnace offered with any particluar unit versus the sq footage. There are various sizes of furnace available. You will also want 2 propane tanks and 2 batteries, so this may sway your decision. Smaller AS do not have duals...
Cover the roof vents also. These are an area of significant heat loss.
Buy some of the foil/bubble wrap...indespensible for winter time camping. We also use a portable buddy heater in addition to running the furnace. Requires no power, and is like a little fireplace!
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:18 AM   #32
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So the consensus is a unit without 12v pads, but with heated tanks from furnace, and dual batteries. That will eliminate some of the models, and less glass is another concern but it is a trade off for summer use.
As far as the filliform- why is it called that name- it is hard to see this on online pictures of units.
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Old 02-16-2011, 11:31 PM   #33
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Not really what you want to hear, but all of them are. It really boils down to how much space you need/want. Each Airstream is fully self contained, has connections for external supply for water, power, sewage, phone,TV/Sat and are prone to follow to same laws of physics as anything else on this rock. We are talking an RV here, so although some features may be better not to have in terms of insulation from the outside (skylights, vista views, wrap windows, etc), the reality is that it's a RV that is not airtight by any means and has significantly less "R" value than that of a house. In winter with any unit, expect your LP costs to go up....larger units have larger heaters and more heating space. Summer, if you are paying a flat rate, it's not as much of a concern, but again, larger units typically have larger A/C units, some even have two and once again, larger units can take more to cool on very hot days. So to me the better question is how much space do you need and from there how can you squeeze the most efficiency out of the unit that meets your needs.
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Old 02-19-2011, 07:40 PM   #34
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As far as the filliform- why is it called that name- it is hard to see this on online pictures of units.
Filiform: filiform - Wiktionary
The first meaning is the one.

It's been a long time since you started looking—almost 2 years. Now's the time to buy, especially if it's snowing and bitter cold.

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Old 02-19-2011, 09:35 PM   #35
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Working with an ipod here, so please forgive short answers and a few fat-fingering.

The vinyl in my classic has a foam backing that's about a quarter inch thick, which has some r value... As for the rap-window, I like it in the living area, but not in the bedroom. I like the cabinet option over the window in the b-room - personal choice.

Your question regarding heat options, in my opinion, can be answered best if you first decide if you plan to dry/boon-dock or if you are plugged into shore power. I am in the process of installing an Onan generator in my 30 foot classic that can run my AC and also charge the bats, but I have no interest in running the ten all night (and neither would the campers around me). So I am also installing a Wave 8.
The Wave 8 does not heat the tanks like the forced air furnace....so it's really not for extream cold weather, unless the water systems have been winterized.
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:19 PM   #36
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Thanks, all, for the good information here. This thread answered several of our questions.

We have been concerned about heat transfer in an Airstream, and this thread has answered that concern nicely. We don't intend to do much boondocking, although we do want the capability to do so on occasion. We will probably attempt to stay with more moderate temperatures, so the extreme heat/cold conditions won't be a great issue for us.

I had wondered about the under-bed storage with outside access, not from a temperature question, but from a security one. The comments here have given me some ideas to work with.

We're also concerned about storage space, and DW and I both prefer the overhead cabinets to the extra windows. Yes, when we're parked in the Tetons it would be nice to look in any direction and see the mountains, but we're not going to be there all the time. The view in Toadstool Park is much more horizontal than vertical.
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:48 PM   #37
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David,

Looking outside is good on one side, not on the other, in our trailer. The streetside has 2 large windows and 2 vista views. The other side has a small window over the kitchen counter that is obscured when the door is open. Otherwise, it is too low to look out of.

The panos have good views, but we don't usually open the curtains all the way around for whatever reason—it just doesn't seem easy to do. We have all the windows in the bedroom covered with Reflectix to keep temps more even and keep it dark in the morning, so we don't even look out them.

The result of all this is that sometimes we are parked so we have good views, and other times we have to go outside. Each floorplan handles windows differently and you do have to consider what you want before you buy. If you spend most of your time outside, it may not matter as much. Maybe I get jaded—we have incredible views at home (I'm looking at 2 snow capped mountain ranges right now) so views out of a trailer are rarely as pretty.

Last we heard from cpa' was last winter—are you out there and have you made a decision?

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Old 11-14-2011, 06:45 PM   #38
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We had the opportunity to tour a couple dozen different Airstreams last month at the Branson Rally, so we're well aware that there are many differences from model to model and year to year.

All other things being equal, we'd opt for cabinets over windows. Yes, the view is good (or not, depending on location), but DW is concerned about storage space. We do enjoy being outside if weather and bugs permit, so looking at the view from the campsite is usually possible. We also like to hike and see the sights, so by the time we get back to the trailer we're generally pretty pooped, and ready to just sit for a while.

No, we haven't made any firm decisions yet, and we're still a couple of years away from that point. We are learning a LOT, though, and gradually narrowing the field a bit. From all that we've learned, it seems that a 30-34' Classic is the size and trim that we want. We do want the wide body, but the slide is optional for us. I just found out that the 34' got the wide body in the mid-90's, so that opens up more for us than I had thought. I had heard that it didn't arrive until well into the 2000's.
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:48 AM   #39
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Bigfoot is indeed back in business. You may want to check out their 25'. It is well insulated and the plumbing and tanks are heated. It is a true four season trailer. Being a Canadian manufacturer with its cooler temperatures, amusingly the air conditioner appears to be an option. The website is Bigfoot RV - Truck Campers & Travel Trailers - Recreational Vehicle Manufacturer. Pricing is very attractive. Now, it isn't the easily recognized Airstream and all that goes with it, but push comes to shove, it just may be better for serious all weather living.
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:51 AM   #40
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Bigfoot is indeed back in business. You may want to check out their 25'. It is well insulated and the plumbing and tanks are heated. It is a true four season trailer. Being a Canadian manufacturer with its cooler temperatures, amusingly the air conditioner appears to be an option. The website is Bigfoot RV - Truck Campers & Travel Trailers - Recreational Vehicle Manufacturer. Pricing is very attractive. Now, it isn't the easily recognized Airstream and all that goes with it, but push comes to shove, it just may be better for serious all weather living.
We stayed in our 21 foot Bigfoot for three cold nights in Desmoines, IA. The temperature got down to -18F. We had no problem at all staying nice and warm. I would not want to do that in our Airstream.

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Old 11-18-2011, 12:28 PM   #41
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Nice trrailer!!! Same as mine, but a little better shape.
Mine is in the finishing stage from being a jacknifed useless trailer to one
that suit my needs. I love this trailer.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:36 AM   #42
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Can't add anything else to what has already been said, but have been driveway camping in summer and winter.

My 27' Flying Cloud has the island Queen-size bed. I like this because those metal walls are akin to cuddling up to an iceberg in winter.

Love the pano windows front and back. Would feel claustrophobic w/o them. As others have written, they can be insulated, but so far, I haven't felt the need.
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